this post was submitted on 02 Feb 2024
554 points (92.6% liked)

World News

39046 readers
2529 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven't found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 83 points 9 months ago (138 children)

A question for the genocide deniers that'll pop into this thread to spout their monstrous nonsense...

Can you point to a way in which the actions, policies, or rhetoric of the Israeli government meaningfully differs from those of Novemberpogrome-era (Krystalnacht-era) Nazi Germany?

This isn't pointed at any individual, so I'm not even putting you on the spot - this is an opportunity for you to bring your best answers.

[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Can you point to a way in which the actions, policies, or rhetoric of the Israeli government meaningfully differs from those of Novemberpogrome-era (Krystalnacht-era) Nazi Germany?

They spoke German.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Well that... that... that changes everything!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have realized a while ago that there’s no point in arguing or discussing with genocide-deniers, pro-Israel and pro-zionists.

They will write the most delusional things, deny every evidence there’s and come up with the most delusional things to defend the Israeli-Government.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I think they're delusional enough that there's value in giving them the space to lay that delusion out for all to see. They're one of the best arguments against themselves.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] kromem@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

If you are asking for a devil's advocate argument, we could start with the fact that the Jews weren't exactly known for detaining, torturing, and mass executing their own.

Hamas in 2014 allegedly tortured and killed 23 Palestinians under the cover of the Gaza conflict then by Amnesty.

That's not the only time they've executed Palestinians for alleged "collaboration."

You also have the fact that the Jews didn't torture and kill hundreds of German civilians including women and infants to kick off a retaliation.

While I think Likud show a disguising disregard for civilian life and suspect a number of their party would like to carry out a one sided genocide, I also think the "it's the same thing as the Holocaust" is a pretty gross statement.

It's also probably prudent to not jump to conclusions in what's actually taking place during the fog of war. I strongly suspect Israel is committing war crimes under the current administration, but I also remember the 2008 Goldstone report where they were accused of doing so after not participating in the process at all and then years later the person spearheading that inquiry said that had they known at the time the information they learned since, they would have had a different position towards the Israeli operations.

Time has a way of revealing a lot of details that are lost in the moment, there's probably unprecedented propaganda on both sides of this conflict, and while we should err on the side of humanitarian concerns in directing foreign policy and negotiations, the process of investigating allegations is extremely important.

But to be frank, the knee jerk "this is identical to Nazi Germany killing the Jews" is ignorant as shit. You can't just ignore the existence of Hamas and the fact it controls the region with its own war crimes (which, as has been the case for ISIS/ISIL and al-Queda, are often directed at their own dissidents with greater scope and violence than foreigners).

[–] hydroxide@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

If you're going to play devil's advocate at least know the facts. There WERE Jewish militant groups that resisted the Nazis. The oppressed are justified to fight back.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising

load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (135 replies)
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Some of the victims were blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs with zip ties.

There were witness statements of mass executions committed by the IDF 2 weeks ago, now actual evidence is found and being shown.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

With how often we spar, I feel it's worth mentioning that I fully agree with you here. There's enough substantial evidence. This is horrific.

Between this and the IDF disguising itself as civilians and doctors to kill targets in a hospital, it's fairly clear that the organization needs to completely disband as part of any peace agreement.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Looked into the presenter of this video (Middle East Eye)

  • heavy Palestine bias

  • owners not known

  • 0 Israeli perspective

  • (edit after chatting with poster - two week old video edited for this event)

I've gone through the last 8 hours of Al Jazeera links - no mention of this article. The review from the last 24 hours does not mention this link. Do you have an Al Jazeera, BBC, or AP link to this video, because right now it looks fabricated with the AJ logo.

The AJ link you posted is a great article- bodies found, likely bound and executed, investigating ongoing, Palestine blames Israel.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I checked and it seems like they reposed a 2 weeks old AJ video cutting out some of their footage.

https://youtu.be/E4PtbgpBu9E

So it's less recent than I thought, but still relevant. First witness statements of mass IDF executions were ~2 months ago iirc (don't quote me on that I might be 2 weeks off)

Mee is a respectable news source. One sided for sure but they're not making stuff up.

Israel doesn't get covered much on the Arab side, they're afraid to quote lies from the IDF and tarnish their reputation of factually being factual. Unlike mostly western propaganda outlets like NYT which will happily verbatim quote every lie the IDF tells them even when it's already debunked. 40 beheaded hospital tunnels. You know the drill.

load more comments (9 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 52 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The country genociding people have to make mass graves from executing civilians? Say it ain't so.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Store all this data to tell accurate histories.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

When people try to tell you conservatives (including neoliberals) aren't that bad, just point to this genocide.

[–] white_shotgun@aussie.zone 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Israel is committing genocide it's plain to see and the world watches on....

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

It's sad, it's an atrocity, it's unsurprising.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A lot of this really mirroring the Bosnian genocide which was only 25 years ago

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Mirroring the f*cking holocaust

[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The fact this is still news in 2024 is beyond stupid.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This has been going on for almost 70yrs, it’s just that they have now acknowledged and embraced it as well

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Netanyahu wasin dire straights when this kicked off. War is good for those in power, shit is extremely reminiscent to Bush's position before 9/11. Of course it's being embraced.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Right? No human could possibly find genocide to be abhorrent - it must be the bots.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

This is no longer shocking.

load more comments
view more: next ›