Letting the democratic party know that you don't mind genocide.
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I'm trans and terrified of Trump, but refuse to vote for Genocide Joe. I pray daily for the death of them both
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I see every liberal around me enthusiastically wiping the blood on their hands onto their face like they're the German kid from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. This makes me mad because in 2020 I voted PSL and it turns out they're anti-genocide, so I don't have any blood on my hands from then. 2024 is my only chance to get some of that blood before the most important election of our lives in 2028. Joe Biden has swung so far to the right that this is my opportunity to vote for unlimited genocide on the third world without looking like a bad person.
A vote for Biden is a vote for genocide, so, no
to demonstrate submission to democrats and to grant legitimacy to liberal democracy as it kills you
I live in a swing state and I’m not voting for Biden or Trump. The trans genocide / end of abortion rights is already happening under Biden, and even democrats on the local, county, and state levels who pretend to care about this will still vote endless amounts of money to the police.
Also, it really seems like people don’t understand the electoral process as much as they think.
Say that some kind of left populist was (somehow) received the most electoral votes. I feel like I can say with near absolute certainty that the delegates who actually vote would not allow this to happen and even if they did, another entity with more power would stall the process and/or change the rules, and everyone would accept that as normal.
This is why I believe voting at the national level is fundamentally pointless. How anyone can believe they’re making a difference at this point is beyond me.
Ignoring the genocide for just a sec (what a fucking wild sentence) but at this point, I don’t even think Biden would be better for minorities than Trump. Because it really comes down to STaTeS RIgHts at the end of the day, and if you live in a red state, you’re not going to change anything without collective organization
I feel like I can say with near absolute certainty that the delegates who actually vote would not allow this to happen
The electors are chosen by the party at the same convention where the candidate is nominated. If the party opposed their own candidate they would just not have nominated them in the first place.
and even if they did, another entity with more power would stall the process and/or change the rules, and everyone would accept that as normal.
You’re right here though. It’s up to each state’s government (usually the state Attorney General) to finalize the result of their election and thus pick which slate of electors they send.
Alternatively, it’s up to Congress to actually count the electoral votes and finalize the election. That’s what January 6th was about. They have since passed a resolution saying that part of the process is a formality that can’t have an effect on the result, but they’d absolutely ignore that if necessary.
But it depends on who that “left populist” is. If Bernie had won, they likely wouldn’t have gone that extreme but rather just stalled his policies in Congress and the courts. He’d get some basic (and acceptable to capital) progressive policies through via executive order - like descheduling weed - but he’s too much of a lib to do anything much further left than the New Deal. Remember, Bernie’s policies wouldn’t stop capitalism but rather save it from itself (temporarily ofc).
If Claudia de la Cruz somehow won, yeah they’d probably stop that.
To enthusiastically affirm your support for genocide
I'm waiting for comrade Trump to have US leave NATO. (I'm a Euro tho) 
He's not going to leave nato, he's going to threaten to leave nato to force euros to do more austerity to pay for weapons sales.
That's still a funny enough outcome honestly. America forcing Europe to destroy itself from the inside out would be fantastic. Extremely critical support to that outcome I guess.
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Yes the point of voting for Biden is to telegraph that you love his support for ethnic cleansing
I'm gonna go against the grain and say yes, yes there is.
If you're white middle or upper class and don't care about anyone but yourself, then yes, there are many points to voting for Biden.
On an individual level your vote means nothing. Vote (or don't) for whoever makes you feel best
In the Weimar Republic would your individual vote have stopped the rise of fascism?
I voted for Hillary in 2016 and Trump won. I voted 3rd party and Brandon won. There is no correlation between my individual vote and who won. It's possible to "vote wrong" as a lib may put it and the 'good guys' (brandon) still wins. It's possible to vote for the 'right side of history' and the freaking cheeto still wins
Don't make such a big deal out of it
There’s no point where I live; even with Taylor Swift’s opposition, Trump is going to get like 66% of the vote.
Best thing you can do is write in for John Brown
Or Lenin
No.
Vote for Afroman 2024. The only candidate to bring back showboating into sports.
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You ask yourself. If we hogs have an opinion, you could take some advice from that... maybe somewhere else, from lemmygrad.ml, lemm.ee, discusstech, lemmy.world, redd.hat. etc...
Honestly, no point for me, if the Dems couldn't prosecute Trump, who has certainly abetted a riot at the D.C Capitol and screwed up on their taxes blatantly, just to make a whataboutism on the worse enemy to win the election without changing their presidential candidates...
They've fucked up real hard...
whataboutism 
No
If you want to vote for Biden, do so.
If you don't want to vote, then don't do so.
It's up to you and don't let anyone decide for you.
I would prefer to vote third party or vote on direct policy then go home, conscious intact.
Then do that.
It's great if you want to break your arm jerking yourself off.
Well look, we've got two capitalist parties and both of them are bad in different ways. You might reasonably argue that Biden would yield better domestic policy w.r.t. culture war stuff, and that Trump would (through sheer incompetence / disregard of state bureaucracy / campism from the arguer) result in better foreign policy, etc. etc. I think that means that Biden is not strictly better than Trump. Which tradeoffs to take is an analytical task that's beyond me; depends on how ready the left is to respond. Luckily I live in a blue state so my presidential vote doesn't matter.
If your state has an uncommitted option in the primary, I encourage you to do that. The campaign in Michigan clearly spooked the Dems, and the same result in more states might result in federal policy changes.
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Only if you’re misogynistic. I’m Still With Hillary.
Idk it’s bleak
So many people I’ve talked to use voting or not voting in national elections as a purity test, so from that POV, it’s almost an act of self care if you don’t want to lose people you care about
e: disclaimer, I am not going to vote for Biden and I feel that I need to say that explicitly to manage the discussion happening below
the way I see it is that a Biden 2024 win will be loosely equivalent to a Trump 2024 win in Ukrainian/Russian deaths, Gazan deaths, jingoism in Taiwan, border/migrant deaths, and impoverished deaths, but Biden will be notably better than Trump about trans people deaths, so Biden is really only like a 95% Trump. I'm also suspicious of how thoroughly Trump can be handled into implementing Project 2025, I think he's very stupid and not good at following orders, but even a half way implemented Project 2025 is much scarier than another 4 years of neoliberal purgatory.
The flipside of that though is that the dems will truly never run anyone but a neoliberal unless they get completely decimated and see that their existing strategy buys them nothing but ruin. If they get their faces kicked in hard enough running Biden, who knows, they might actually run a berniecrat in 2028. Not likely, given that what I'm describing is the loose equivalent of Hillary getting annihilated in 2016 and then them actually letting Bernie run in 2020, but it's a thought.
Honestly, I think Biden winning is (slightly) worse for all the overseas wars and the genocide in Palestine. Trump's sycophants are terrible at running the war machine, they're fragmented and incompetent. They're more concerned with their individual career trajectories than the projects of the state. Biden's admin also has a fair bit of that, but people like Blinken and Nuland are closer to ideological true believers, who have stopped at nothing and continue to scale up these conflicts, everything else be damned. He's also completely ambivalent to the red states putting trans people and the parents of trans children on lists, forbidding trans healthcare, etc. I don't buy the argument that he's better than Trump on trans issues. Trump is no more likely to get blue states to destroy trans rights than Biden is to get red states to leave trans people alone. But that's just my cis opinion.
The flip side is that, as much as there's incompetent careerist ghouls in Trump's team, like Bolton or Giuliani, there also are some insane neocon/fascist true believers too, and those are the scariest people in politics.
vote PSL or Green if you're gonna vote.
Trump in 2020 would have been the harm reduction candidate through his incompetence and a democratic majority in the house/senate. We'd have the exact same COVID denialism, lack of economic relief, wars, inaction toward LGBT and reproductive rights, funding of the police and military, and border policy. The only difference would be that liberals would have to put their names next to opposing those things. Even if it's only rhetorical, the left would slip in like it did in 2018. Instead Blue MAGA gets to hoot and holler at the worst of their politicians and we are tied to them by the voters.
Democrats would be entering 2024 in a much stronger position with a much stronger candidate. 2022 and 2024 would both have more radicals, there'd be more opposition to Israel and less support for Ukraine, Ukraine would have probably ended much sooner with the same result and hundreds of thousands of lives saved. Liberals would still believe COVID exists and BLM could have probably maintained momentum as the economy continued to get worse. Locally the democrats were instead allowed to take comfort in voting blue no matter who working as a result of being the opposition party. They voted blue and checked out entirely leaving us with functionally right-wing politicians who rode the 2018 progressive wave.
100% agree with everything you said
Trump tries to be 100% Hitler but is so incompetent he only does like 70% of his Hitlering.
Biden gets to be 99% Hitler with no opposition while saying “Please vote for me not Trump I promise I’ll be 100% Hitler he’s only like 70% Hitler I can be 100% Hitler just vote for meeeee”
We wouldn’t have the same wars. The Russia-Ukraine war is a project of Biden and Nuland. Starting in 2014 when he was VP and picking back up in 2021 when he became president.
If Trump had been re-elected, it’s likely Russia wouldn’t have invaded and the conflict would stay frozen. Or even if they did, Trump wouldn’t support Ukraine so it would have been over pretty quick.
direct quote from the official text of project 2025 (emphasis mine):
Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.
You can call it vapid virtue signaling if you want, but the fact of the matter is that they are gunning for unitary executive power, and every single person who holds that unitary executive power will believe this and rule accordingly.
It is pretty concerning that that's the attitude they're showing, but I just don't see them actually going through with it. Desantis showed that running on transphobia and trying to attract everyone purely by culture war issues isn't a viable electoral strategy. Will they still rule accordingly when their base just seriously doesn't care? I don't mean to dismiss their transphobia, and obviously there are rabid chuds that absolutely will eat up the bathroom bills, the bans on trans education and healthcare, etc. But how much more of that are we going to see under Trump than what Biden is already turning a blind eye to?
I still don't blame you if you think voting for Biden is what's right because of your concerns about trans rights. I just think the difference is so marginal when Republicans are already allowed to go nuts.
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If they get their faces kicked in hard enough running Biden, who knows, they might actually run a berniecrat in 2028.
no they won't
I mean, I know they won't, me saying that they probably won't is the start of the very next sentence that you left off your quote. We saw this with Bernie in 2016/2020, I'm just hoping something might change if they lose yet again but even harder this time. Again, probably not, but we're certainly not seeing a Berniecrat win in 2028 if Biden takes it in 2024
I'm just hoping something might change if they lose yet again but even harder this time.
We shouldn't forget how many things had to break right for Dems to be able to ratfuck Bernie:
- Covid hit during the primary, undercutting the ability for people to vote for Bernie/against the ratfuck and relegating all other news to the backburner.
- Obama was able and willing to pull the strings for the coordinated dropout/endorsement of Biden. Will he still have the juice to do that in 2028? He'd do it for his former VP, but is he going to do it for
or someone? That someone would have been a better choice for the party in 2020 but they didn't get picked then. - Biden could lean on his VP time and because he hadn't been doing a real job for 12 years could avoid most criticism with "that's ancient history." Who's going to do that this time?
- Dem politicians and voters in part went along with the ratfuck because (a) Bernie was farther left than any major presidential candidate since maybe 1988, and (b) Trump said scarier things out loud than any recent Republican candidate. But people have been talking about Bernie's positions on topics like healthcare since he forced that conversation back into the mainstream, Trump won't be on the ballot in 2028, and your Republican nominee might be some more polished freak like Nikki Hayley.
- Warren stayed in, which made the coordination behind Biden less obvious and cost Bernie some supporters.
It was a very specific combination of circumstances. They could still pull it off, but they had to try, and they had to get a little lucky. They might not be able to pull it off in 2028, or they might have to do it so blatantly that it backfires.
Finally, it got shoveled under the rug because Biden won. If they do it in 2028 and lose, the internal party divisions that sprung up after Hillary lost (and helped Bernie become a real contender in the first place in 2020) will re-emerge even stronger.
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but even a half way implemented Project 2025 is much scarier than another 4 years of neoliberal purgatory
not to dems: they get to fundraise indefinitely with no expectation that they ever wield power again
who knows, they might actually run a berniecrat in 2028.
who? there's no bench and the dems like it that way
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Also, it may depend on your positionality.
I know a few comrades that will vote for Biden because they're trans and don't want Trump and his Plan 2025 to be enacted.
Others are too disgusted with him enabling genocide in Gaza.
But you shouldn't let people peer-pressure you into voting one way or the other or not voting at all.
What I'm trying to say is: what do you want to do?
Plan 2025
Christ, do I even want to know? Or is this panic attack inducing?
It's the same shit republicans have always been trying to do, but with more christofascism
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