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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 104 points 7 months ago (15 children)

No no, you see. Its okay and normal to destroy your body for other peoples profit.

The problem here is you enjoying yourself and experience happiness. Personal happiness is a sin in capitalism, because it might lead to thoughts of improving your situation, and thats the last thing anyone wants. Just think of what it could do to the shareholders!

/s because I know some dim bulb will take this seriously otherwise.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It might be a joke but you are on point...

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

its on point, but if I dont /s then someone will come in and think I'm actually arguing in favor of ruining your body for capitalism.

cause every time I've ever made a super obvious post, I always get some dimbulb response without the /s

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[–] funkajunk@lemm.ee 57 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I dunno

I'm not trying to hit a flick shot on that vlookup

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

People that use vlookup over index/match are either geniuses or insane. Or both

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

There's something other than vlookup?

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Good God please use xlookup. We have some old school people that still use vlookup and refuse to convert their ranges to tables, it drives me crazy.

I still use index/match for multiple lookup returns (or is it sumifs I can't remember?) But I do a lot of work in BI and it's much more intuitive for me in DAX/M.

[–] LetKCater2U@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 months ago

There’s XLOOKUP, which isn’t nearly as volatile as INDEX/MATCH. And also more versatile than vlookup.

[–] SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net 8 points 7 months ago

Both. Both is good.

[–] Kill_John_Lennon@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

What? Why would you choose to use a combination of 2 formulas when there's one designed to combine them?

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Are we all working the same job? Just spending 8 hours inputing data, filtering and moving columns in excel?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sounds boring and easy to automate

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

no no, the learning curve on the business enviroement won't cover the financial benefits ;) lol jk, of course it is but no one is going to say it

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Just automate it yourself and "work" from home.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

If I knew how, I would have a real job as a programer. at least I would create something

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Million tutorials online or if you are lazy you could just post the contract on something like upwork. I answered a post like that and the guy tried to haggle with me. Automating his job and he wants a discount cause he claimed he could get someone in India for cheaper. Told him he should do that. Point is you could do it and as long as you are not him get quality code in short order.

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

I'm not a programmer by trade but I learned some python and VBA to automate some of the things I do every day. Any time you're doing some manual shit and think "there's gotta be a better way" there probably is - just Google how to do that one thing and you'll build up your knowledge over time.

It's up to you to decide if you tell your boss or not. I chose to and took on some extra duties along with extra pay so it worked out for me but it's a small business with a high value on productivity.

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[–] Xephonian@retrolemmy.com 4 points 6 months ago

Love the huge programming capabilities built into Excel itself but for everything else it's AutoHotKey FTW. I have a bunch of macros tied to the F keys along the top of the keyboard that can fill out any number of forms with a couple key presses.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bad posture and form will mess you up in either. If it hurts to sit in an ergo chair the way you're meant to with your hands at the right position on the mouse and keyboard: you've already been doing it wrong for a while.

[–] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

I will also argue that general workout will help a lot with pain. I used ti get sorre after some time and after getting a couple dumbells and working out the parts of my body that would hurt/get sore I rarelly ever have problems nowdays.

[–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'm more likely to take a break with work. Unfortunately that break often entails sitting in the same chair, watching YouTube on the same screen.

[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Smoking breaks help. But that also kind of defeats the purpose

[–] SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 months ago

I love video games, it my favorite hobby, but gamers get so defensive when someone points out any flaws with the hobby.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Same. A lot of work chats and interacting were often meeting that could have been an email sorta things, mostly to get us moving around and active

[–] Turun@feddit.de 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes? But that's already explicitly warned about.

At work I had to fill out a form which threats to my health could impact me. Next to chemicals or radiation, working at a desk for more than x hours a day was also listed as a potential source of bodily harm.

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[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Someone who points out excel has clearly never played Starcraft in any capacity. There is a caster, who has a shirt with an x-ray of a hand that's bolted to some sort of frame, with "APM" written on top of it (actions per minute, a measure of how fast a player plays the game).

Mobas, RTS are hell on wrists. FPS too, with all the flicking. You can do excel in a shitty position for years and you'll not end up with screws in your hand or nerve pinching.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah I played RTS games, including both starcrafts, through my mid twenties (really hung on to the damn things) and was pretty good (got to diamond and stuck there in sc2, which is another animal entirely from pro tier. High school pitchers rarely need special shoulder surgery), and I never needed hand surgery or even serious carpal tunnel help.

Until I was in a position where I had to use office shit for ten hours a day. Then I needed physical therapy for about a year. I think with the games, theres time during matchmaking and loading where you just have to move, even in your seat. Its a whole thing.

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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love spreadsheets (hey, we all have our weird interests) so at first thought this was an ASD meme.

[–] Bigmouse@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How is liking spreadsheets connected to autistic spectrum disorder? (Im being genuine here)

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

B.3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).

Excel is a highly structured environment that follows strict rules and procedures to generate outcomes, often sorting and making sense of "messy" inputs. Prime candidate for an ASD hobby/obsession.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Good question. I have known many people on the spectrum in my life including several close family members and loving spreadsheets is not something I would attribute to any of them.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago

Just cause the article discusses one thing, doesn't mean it discusses all things

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

To be fair, lots of companies specifically point out ergonomics and give out onboarding materials with suggestions on exercises to do and office setup best practices.

Awareness is important, and most office jobs already raise awareness about it. I think the only time I've seen it in video games were those take a break reminders I've seen in some Nintendo games.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Add two+ hours a day sitting in your car and the aging process is actually reversed!

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Tbf the combination can be worst. During COVID lockdowns I'd spend all waking hours either coding or hand writing for uni, hand writing to teach online, or gaming. Sometimes I'd crochet. I have chronic painful tendinitis now.

[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

People specialized in hand/arm/rotator cuff bodywork can help you with that. You might have to try a few different therapists before you find one that's good, but it's worth it to get relief.

Source- am a bodyworker

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

The boss button is supposed to take you to Excel (or a reasonable facsimile).

It's like you haven't even played a game while you were supposed to be working in the 1990s. What are you, under 40?

[–] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I'm down with the sentiment of the comment, but I legit find I get way more arm/wrist pain from gaming than from spreadsheets. I think there's much more prolonged button-pressing involved in the former. Some games are worse than others.

Right now my elbow is killing me from too much Project Zomboid over the last few weeks. A day of spreadsheets and QuickBooks today was almost a break from it (not that I didn't go right back to PZ after work).

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[–] crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I used to experience this things from couple hours session on my pc.

I started to rely more on my keyboard which helped with right hand wrist pain ( vim for the win )

I then got a good chair, that when I need to type I have it sit upright so my back is completely straight, and when I take my controller to play a game for longer sessions ( dead cells ) I can tilt it back a little, keeping my back straight and still keep a good posture that doesn't hurt even after 5 hours ( not purelly 5 hours of just sitting and playing )

What helped me the most tho was getting one of those wrist training things and a pair of dumbells to train the parts off my body that would usually feel stiff after a longer session.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm all seriousness everyone, take many breaks and there's lots of wrist and hand stretches online.

Also, a vertical mouse have helped my carpal tunnel. If you don't know what that is, use the Magic Mouse for a little while and it'll kick in.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Getting a split keyboard is the biggest ergonomic improvement I've made.

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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 6 points 6 months ago

It depends... If you've got good posture (and I don't mean sitting up straight, you have to shift around), a good chair, and you get up every hour or two to at least walk around? It's still probably not healthy, but at least you don't get too many aches and pains

On the other hand, it's a lot harder with gaming. You've got your hands on the keyboard or clutching the controller constantly, you (or at least I) will tense up and put strength in my wrist at a weak angle, sometimes I'll find myself leaning forward and tensing up

I feel it if I'm on a gaming kick, but day in and day out it's usually not too bad. It helps that I need to walk to refocus anyways, so even gaming I usually take a lot of breaks

[–] bruhduh@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To avoid wrist pains don't keep your wrist midair, most of the time keep your wrist lying on something and relaxed, no wrist pains, coming from personal experience, about posture, sit slightly tilted back like in the chair you can sleep in and relax your spine while slightly lying on the chair with straight spine, and back pains gone too, same with neck, find something to rest your neck on comfortably and keep it relaxed, as for eyes, use yellow tinted glasses they help to transform sharp blue white light of the screen to greenish one which is comfortable for your eyes in long term, every advice coming from personal experience, also use this to not waste your hearing https://github.com/Digitalone1/EasyEffects-Presets

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I do far less movement on a computer.

Look at it, think, type something, look at it, think, type something...

Just noticed it a long time ago. I have time to do it right vs making the time to do it twice.

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