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[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 93 points 7 months ago (4 children)

They should do one for zombies and sasquatch too.

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hold up. Bigfoots were American long before the white man came. They deserve their vote, especially in the swing states. They tend to vote Democrat.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They tend to vote Democrat.

Unfortunately their cousin Yetti is a libertarian...

[–] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

And Wendigos are full on maga.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 14 points 7 months ago

Yeah, in fact I'm really concerned about this, I think they should cover all of the fictional creatures, maybe also martians, better cover animals, too. Every species, list them out. I think Trump should personally oversee this, and fund the research. Just take it out of his campaign fund.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

Come on, man

Everyone knows Sprites, pixies, and brownies are the root cause of voter fraud. Unless they stop those beings, it's going to do nothing

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

And a bill for voting only once... oh, but then that might end up putting Republicans and their family in jail. 😢

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 60 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

Oh, so they want to make it...like, double-illegal or something? Can we also pass extra laws to prevent murder--but, you know, more?

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

It’s now super-duper illegal. That’s a technical term.

[–] Nusm@yall.theatl.social 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They will put them on Double Secret Probation.

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[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

It's a way to push voter id and other voter suppression tactics.

It's just life how whenever someone wants to censor media, it's to protect the children.

[–] cmoney@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Vote for me, I promise to make crime illegal.

[–] ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

There actually are a lot of laws that allow prosecutors to stack charges.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The real question is what other things this bill will have.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What a great idea. Solve a problem that doesn't exist rather than all the shit crumbling around us. Heroes.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Also, given that's a non-problem, they will, in fact, never solve it. Which is exactly what they want. A "problem" they can endlessly demagogue whip up grievances about.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Democrats should agree with this, and amend the bill to indicate that all citizens should have the right to vote (ideally with it being a felony to try to prevent them from doing so). Let Trump and Johnson explain why they don't want that part of it.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Love this idea, great way to sneak in Voting Rights Act that was pretty much DOA on week 1.

Anything that puts them on the backfoot and exposes the awful Republican policies in the light of day will work extremely well!

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

Great idea. Maybe also add extra provisions that would give extreme punishment to those cons that were caught trying to vote more than once, as well. Call out those specific examples when it's being debated.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Anyone with a brain knows non-citizens can't vote. This is just a way to push the narrative to their dumb base that "illegals" are voting.

[–] SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Or the law will be conveniently structured in such a way that once again makes it more difficult for people who are minorities or live in urban centers to vote.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In federal electionst that is true. Some cities and states allow noncitizens to vote in local things.

Edit: An article. https://minnesotareformer.com/2023/03/16/noncitizens-allowed-to-vote-in-some-local-elections-spurring-backlash-from-gop/

Interestingly, noncitizens in MN cannot vote in state or local elections.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right up there with the recent Tennessee (?) legislation to outlaw chemtrails…

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[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

the only place that i know of that lets non-citizens vote in NYC, and only for local elections.

their reasoning is that, if you live in NYC, you're paying taxes and, therefore, have the right to representation. you still have to register and show ID, using the city's NYC ID, which is issued for free (gasp!). (more info on NYC ID)

edit: my bad-- this law was ruled unconstitutional on appeal, after a long court battle, on 2/24/2024. boo

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It is important to note that the law was determined to be unconstitutional to the NY State Constitution. This hasn't been tested if a state allowed non-citizens to vote.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What non-citizens are voting right now?

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The imaginary ones Fox News is always screaming about.

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[–] EgoNo4@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Non-american here so wondering, can literally anyone in the US walk into a voting booth and cast a vote? If so... Why would you allow that? And why would you not want to prevent it?

[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 68 points 7 months ago (1 children)

No, trump is just a fucking chode. This is theater for the brain dead Fox News masses to wave flags about.

https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

[–] ApostleO@startrek.website 3 points 7 months ago

And apparently since 2001, there have been fewer than 100 cases (I think somewhere in the area of 50-60 cases) where a non-citizen attempted to vote.

Less than 100 cases. In over 20 years.

It's an obvious, bald-faced smokescreen, covering their plans to rig the election or commit a coup should they lose.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Citizens only for Federal and State elections. Some local elections allow non-citizens. Very few. Not something that needs Federal legislation.

As others pointed out, it’s political theater because that’s all they have.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sooooo Amir, who is here on a work visa, loses his vote on where to go for the team lunch? Sorry, Chipotle, it is.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

The irony is that Amir always votes por Chipotle.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

Only citizens can vote. This is just a public relations stunt to promote Trump's fake narrative about voter fraud

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I don't have to present any ID in order to vote. Since I am already on the voting rolls, all I do is show up at the poll, tell them who I am, and they find my name in the (now electronic) book. I sign it and then I can go vote.

Now, when I initially registered, I had to prove I was eligible. Most voter registration is done here in conjunction with getting your driver's license (or other non-driver state ID). Since you have to produce your birth certificate and/or naturalization papers, they can check your eligibility right there.

A lot of the misinformation from the Right stems from how closely the DMV is tied into voter registration. Non-citizens can drive, of course, and some states even give licenses to people here illegally. Republicans assume all these people get signed up to vote, also, but they do not. Only people who can prove their eligibility get registered.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Trump is trying to play off that the election process is flawed, so that he can claim victory no matter how badly he loses.

[–] OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

This is a non issue that is trying to take advantage of the ignorance in certain parts of Trumps base.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Voting in person in the US usually involves a checkin process where an election worker looks up your name and address to 1. Confirm you are registered to vote, 2. Confirm you are in the correct location to vote, and 3. Confirm that you haven’t already voted.

After voting you follow a similar process to check out, so they have a record that you checked in, voted, and checked out.

Point 2 is because in larger towns & cities there are often multiple voting locations, and voting locations are based on where in the town you live. For example in my city I vote at a church two blocks away from my home. If I tried to vote at a different location in my city they wouldn’t allow it, and would tell me to go to that church. (I think I could cast a provisional ballot at an alternate location if I provided sufficient ID, but that vote would only be counted after the election ended and records showed I didn’t vote at my usual location.)

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 5 points 7 months ago

There are voter rolls that each state maintains of eligible voters. These rolls have to conform to minimum guidelines, like allowing all US citizens without felonies 18 years or older to vote. However, the federal government doesn't have any never had any maximum guidelines.

If a state decided that all 16 year old citizens could vote, the Federal Government couldn't do anything. Same with how different states address allowing felons who have served their time the ability to vote. In theory, this could include allowing non-citizens the opportunity as well.

This was built into the Constitution as an option. All elections, including for President, have some mechanism in place so that it doesn't matter if a state has a lesser or greater percentage of its residents vote over other states. After all, the Constitution was written in mind where several states would have significant slave populations.

It is unknown if a federal maximum guideline would be constitutional, since it really messes with the division of powers between the states and the federal government.

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Next up on their agenda: legislating that water stays wet and that gravity doesn't start repulsing objects

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

JFC, fuck off.

[–] geoff@lemm.ee 9 points 7 months ago

Wait, wait — let me guess. They’ll say it affects non-citizens, but it will actually create tedious barriers to voting that affect mostly the American urban working class.

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago

However, non-citizens are already not allowed to vote in federal elections in the United States, and it's not a common occurrence. 

No state currently allows non-citizens to cast a ballot in state-level elections either, according to the Bipartisan Policy Center, though some municipalities may have their own rules for local races.

More republican, Security theater.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

It's perfectly okay if they vote Republican though.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

So hypothetically if non citizens were voting, which is already illegal, how will making it more illegal, stop these hypocritical people? Like oh no I was breaking the law but now that there is a different law I don't want to break that one.

[–] PoorYorick@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of people are missing the next step of the plan. First, they push a bill that specifically says it is illegal for non citizens to vote. Assume the bill passes, because why wouldn't it? You already have to be a citizen to vote. It's all political theater, after all, so there is no need to pick a fight.

Then red states come through with a fucked up interpretation of the law that says felons are no longer U.S. citizens. Now it is illegal for felons to ever vote again. The law would be challenged, appealed, and eventually make its way to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court, that is absolutely going to side with the "States right" to choose what happens to their felons.

Finally, they use selective enforcement of law combined with aggregate data from any number of sources to build felony cases specifically against political rivals. Then you have red states that can never go blue again.

This is all fascism 101.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

It’s impossible to denaturalize a natural-born citizen. This is explicitly protected in the 14th amendment.

The only laws allowing for stripping a person’s citizenship applies to those who became a citizen. Most commonly, because that citizenship was obtained illegally or through fraud.

Other things that can trigger it include being a member of a terrorist group (“subversive”), failing to testify before congress, or a dishonorable discharge if your service included a path to citizenship.

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