OP: Discovers liberalism in the Anglosphere

* iS tHiS a hOnEypoT*

Don't look outside, all the people you see walking to work are actually FBl actors to specifically trick you

"are you saying all bankers are Jewish?" Lmao what a

I highly doubt these people are feds as in employed by the US state department for the purpose of spreading pro-US narratives into "leftist" spaces. They don't need that because, frankly, Americans are so indoctrinated that they (CIA, etc.) don't need to actively do stuff like that anymore.

That doesn't mean they never do it, btw. They absolutely do infiltrate groups and we know this because of the insider operations we've seen executed against the far right wingers that are stupid enough to openly start talking about doing OKC Federal building stuff again. There's probably some example from the left recently but I can't recall any. Probably a ton of informants planted amongst the few leftist anarchist groups that operate and do stuff like sabotage right winger's rallies (like slashing their tires and spray painting their cars and stuff- it's actually pretty comical stuff). Although that's not a threat in the same way domestic terror from McVeigh types would be, FBI and such have an interest in equating them to claim "fairness" later on, even though in the US the only real violence ever comes from the right wing. I assume the few socialist/communist/ML/etc. book reading clubs are probably surveilled lightly, but, everyone knows those are packed with fucking nerds.

So, I think they're definitely doing some stuff, but it's mostly situated around catching the randos who say out of pocket, legally actionable things. Guys trying to set up militias and shit and getting way too descriptive in their purpose. Right wingers can be very descriptive. Left wingers can't be.

Anyway, I think most of the fed-appearing places are just dumbass, libbed-up Americans for the most part. EU/UK, etc. are gonna hold similar opinions. NATO-aligned opinions, basically.

These people aren't socialists in any real sense. They do not oppose US imperialism and hegemony. They support it if anything or rather often engage in "well, maybe US/NATO does some bad stuff, but will it be better if China replaced the US?!" (Yes, yes it would. Or at least oppose US dominance forcing the US state to temper its worst inclinations).

They close their eyes and ears, and it's easy to avoid as an American, to the suffering and horror that US imperialism has brought to the world. If they do by accident see something like the genocide in Gaza well "1) that's Israel, not US and 2) has nothing to do with capitalism, imperialism, or specifically US imperialism." It's just impossible for them to plug the pieces of the puzzle because they don't want to.

Accepting that your home country, or union of countries (EU, because it's just the little doggie of the US in the end), is responsible for all the suffering in the world, and that you play a role in that suffering even as a first world worker who owns zero capital... it's depressing. The instinct is to lash out, deny, call people names, justify things, call people wreckers, whatever else, anything else except accepting what is plainly true and in front of you and that you have a responsibility beyond just feeling bad about it. If you understand that horrors are being done that benefit you... well, you gotta do something if you desire to be moral, as I think almost humans do. No one wants to be the "bad guy," so if you followed a path to arriving at the first world exploiting the third world you either have to live with that knowledge like a curse or you can say "nah, I reject that because it makes me feel some way and it means actual substantial, scary changes would have to occur. I don't know the outcome of that alternative future! I like this one where USA is number 1. I just want healthcare, free college, rights for gay people, etc., all the good liberal things. And I'm willing to never think about the rest of the world to obtain those things."

And that's why they're liberals. Maybe they prefer socdems, I don't really care. The point is they don't fully engage with the Marxist and Leninist ideas around labor and capital and imperialism. I guess they call this "purity testing." If condemning the imperialism of the US while also not buying into falsehoods about other nations sold to you by the US imperialists is "purity" then yes, that is the test, and you gotta pass it otherwise you're not doing the full and accurate analysis. For some reason this annoys people. Like they wanna call themselves socialists and yet not believe in socialist principles. Why not just call yourself what you are, a liberal? Because "liberals are bad"? It's just a circle of shit there. Yeah, liberals suck, so when people to your left say you're being a shit-sucking liberal, maybe think about shit more. (Ranting now)

the label "leftist" can encompass everything from eurosocialists to syndicalists to maoists. if a community can't get more specific than that, it's reasonable to assume that their only position is broad opposition to conservatives.

They're likely not feds. Morpheus said it better than I could;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJ5ZEn67tk

They're so hopelessly dependent on the system they will fight to defend it.

Imperialist ideology is so ingrained in western thought that it even permeates allegedly leftist spaces. It's a stronger mental vampire than mere capitalism on its own. You can easily get a westerners to hate their boss or landlord, but you'll have a much harder time disentangling their feelings regarding foreign countries. Try getting a westerner to say anything normal about China.

Lenin knew this, calling them things like social chauvinists. Self-decribed socialists who would suspend their criticism of their own countries during WW1 because their draw to national identity was stronger. So maybe they're feds, maybe not. It doesn't matter because imperialism is a bug in every westerner's mind. It's the core feature of a liberal that has to be stripped before they can actually begin to be a leftist.

I've seen some people claim that the western tendency to praise failed socialist revolutions over successful ones is residual Christian admiration of martyrdom, which I kinda doubt. Westerners will boldly claim to be a "Luxemburgist" (whatever the fuck that is) while claiming the DPRK is a despotic rogue state that's doing capitalism but even worse somehow. I think it's simpler than just some cultural feature. Westerners at their guts know where their bread is buttered, they know their status in the world is reliant on the domination of foreign countries, and the most anti-imperialist movements will attract the most scorn. That's it. Socialist movements that are allied with the west, neutral, or otherwise never fought the west are to be admired. Socialist movements actively resisting imperialism are to be regarded as the most vile perversions on earth.

I think you're mis-using the term honeypot. A fed honey pot would be some incoherent form of Maoism and Anarchism and would be actively trying to get you to commit violence. That would be a "fed"/FBI honeypot.

"Federal" moderation of a discord server would be an intelligence agency psy-op. The plan would be to establish a limit on what is acceptable leftism in America by holding all the mod spots on the largest forums. If you believe they do it on subreddits then it makes sense to believe they do it on discord servers.

Now all that said I want to loop back to: "establish a limit on what is acceptable leftism". This is something any leftist will do of their own accord. Its the bane of leftism.

Discord, also known as fbi dot gov.

I wouldn't say "every" leftist discord server is a fed honeypot, but discord itself is a very compromised platform and I resent ever being asked to communicate through it for any reason.

EDIT: It's literally Microsoft Teams for streamers and gamers. Just a huge piece of corporate bloatware with way too many features nobody uses and probable NSA backdoors and constant forced updates.

Discord is a proprietary social networking site geared toward grooming children into making their social life dependent on their app. Discord has zero encryption, meaning that all your messages are WORLD-readable by anyone who gets access to the Discord servers, this includes your direct messages.

There's is no need to make it a fed honeypot, it's already is designed to compromise anyone who uses it. Like, everyone gets press reels of Elon Musk and Tim Cook but have you actually seen or heard from a Discord exec?

Most people use it because of the network effect (Discord is only compatible with Discord, forcing users to be trapped within its sphere) and that it is free of charge (which, of course, attracts a lot of children who are then easily indoctrinated into reactionary Discord chatrooms). There's no "enshittification" (which is an incredibly term that deeply unserious people use), Discord has been designed from the start to be like this.

I've been trained to assume anything with "alternative" in the name is trot because of SAlt. Were they trots?

We give then as a treat...as long as you don't use the word removed

Discord itself is trash and full of safe for all investor bullshit now. A victim of enshittification.

They just sound like ordinary libs who have never read theory. 🤷‍♀️

Discord in general sucks. It's basically unusable if you're not glued to the screen 24/7

the problem with "big tent leftism" is that nobody worth interacting with considers themself on the right, so it's easy to find center-right assholes, libs, even racists and other bigots in those spaces, claiming some vague allegiance to left politics.

all "i'm on the left" means anymore, as a baseline, is that they don't knowingly embrace and publicly advocate for all forms of racism.

this is one of the practical limitations of conceptually flattening political positioning into a single axis.

If it was a honeypot wouldn't they have let you in?

Yeah, dude, feds are turning away leftists from their honeypot. This definitely isn't radlibs who use the words "y'all" and "lefties".

If theres one thing on the internet I would destroy it would be discord.

We need some kind of reliable shibboleth but i don't know anything about lib culture beyond what gets shitposted by hexbears.

any leftist discord advertising themselves on disboard sure isn't a good place to be

This is one of the most embarrassing traits of online leftism, the way so many people's brains go straight to "must be feds and not just people with mainstream politics"

Discord is already a honeypot, there's no need for individual servers to also be a honeypot.