Not sure that it proves horseshoe theory so much as it proves that Jill Stein in particular is a gutless wretch and a puppet without principles, and that 3rd parties running for the presidency in the US are deeply unserious.
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I think if a third party were deeply serious about wanting to establish a viable political movement. They’d try building up at the local level first, the presidency should be one of the last steps of becoming “legitimate”, the unsexy local elections are where you build up support at being treated as a serious political movement. Instead, most current third party runs tend to feel like either spoiler campaigns and/or vanity campaigns, where I’m not even sure what good it would do them on the miraculous chance they happened to win the presidency, since third parties in general don’t have much presence in Congress. There’s like four “independent” members of Congress right now, good luck getting any of your third party platform initiatives done with likely no Congressional support.
My thoughts. When I run it will be as a independent or Ill start a party. But we will start by running for city council and mayor and small government positions.
That how you build a movement Bernie Sanders said they only way to change the system is from the bottom up.
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The whole thing is money, all the way down. It's only slightly different from rooting for your favorite sportsball stars until the electoral college (among other things) is brought into the modern age. The sooner these Cold War relics are out of office worldwide, the better our entire species' chances get.
Russia is doing this to fringe parties all over Europe – it simply doesn't matter to them whether they are left or right or whatever. So you get communist, leftist, fascist and populist parties all repeating Putin's phrases. And in this case, the green party's candidate.
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Everyone defending Stein needs to ask themselves why in the world they would ask for votes for trump if you aren't voting green.
There's only one answer and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.
A-fucking-men.
They can say they're voting green because the Democrats are too conservative for them, but if that's their go-to excuse then I'd say it's time to dump them now no? The party they support is just a lie to get conservatives in office.
Funny how she only pops up during presidential elections and doesn't seem to give two shits about the green party during literally any other election.
I voted for Jill once, and then she came out against vaccinations during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic and I realized she was an idiot.
She's as much green as she is dressed in green - just empty platitudes for people obsessed with the "sanctity of their body".
I'm still formally registered with both parties, but I get invited to vote in the Dem Primaries way more often
We need actually competent third parties, just being on the fringe doesn't make you competitive
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If that is supposed to be your ultimate proof that horseshoe theory is real, you might have some more convincing to do
I wish it was, meaning ultimate as in "final", so they won't bring up that Enlightened Centrist bullshit again..
That’s literally not even how horseshoe theory works
Jill Stein; world's most famous tankie.
The comment that was liked says to "vote her if not Trump", it doesn't say to vote "Trump if not her".
A very important nuance. A more charitable explanation is that she is trying to get undecided voters. Which is exactly what a presidential candidate is supposed to do.
I agree both that there is a nuance in the difference strong enough to make the tweet in the post misleading/incorrect, and that Jill Stein is still nonetheless actively a bad-faith candidate who wishes for Trump to win
“vote her if not Trump”,
Sounds like Stein puts up a clear either/or choice for people. In other words, if you aren't voting for the weird orange felon, deprive Kamala Harris of a vote, and everyone knows Jill hasn't a chance in hell of winning. It is not nuanced at all.
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Jill who had dinner with Putin? SHOCKED I tell you!!! It seems like the 'green' party is just paid with greenbacks by putin's government.
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"Dems need to be stopped" from doing what? Providing lunch for kids?
YUP.
Jill Stein has done more damage to the green movement in America than anyone else could have. She exists solely to damage Democrats and more importantly damage leftists. Her goal is to delegitimize and marginalize the green movement. She sucks all the money that could be spent doing real good at local levels where environmental issues can have the most effect. Presidential boondoggles all while City councils local Mayors local Congressman Etc could be affected.
Horseshoe theory is shit.
Just to be clear.
Enemy action is not what horseshoe theory describes either though.
If jill Stein and the green party were serious about being elected then they'd be supporting state and local green party candidates. You never hear about jill Stein at midterm elections stumping for congressional seats.
The greens aren't a serious political party, they're cosplayers running a pyramid scheme
Yeah I found that out and was flabbergasted. They aren't even trying to run in congressional seats. It's all this attempt to jump straight to state and presidential office.
Ranked. Choice. Voting.
RCV is definitely an improvement, but approval is better
Speaking of, Canada is potentially taking a second swing at electoral reform soon. Who knows... Good timeline, it might kick something off
IMO, it should be two rounds. The first (the "primary" round) should be ranked choice voting to pick the top two and the second should be majority vote between these final two choices.
I'm not a fan of Stein and definitely not of Trump, but this seems like a very circumstantial and flimsy thing to base that claim on.
Indeed. She's liking people talking about voting for her if they're unsatisfied with their current party...the photo of her with Putin at the RT dinner has much worse optics I don't think people need to deep dive into generic instagram likes.
To be fair, Jill Stien isn't running her own Instagram account. It's probably some intern that's scrolling through comments and liking anything that says, "vote Green."
Oh wow, I wonder what the next excuse the greens will give me when I point out that they're a joke spoiler party, now that we have evidence that they're a joke spoiler party.
Could someone with Instagram check if she maybe just likes any comment that says vote green?
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