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While I've been considering buying a brand new PC and mobile phone (for absolutely no reason whatsoever; totally a coinkidink that I considered it at this point in time), I decided to also look up what China's own operating system was (because obviously they would have their own operating system; why would they make absolutely everything else and NOT make their own operating system?) and I was like 'ooooh, that looks cool! This Kylin OS!' only to watch a video expounding on it and revealing it's a Linux based operating system.

Hexbear Linux users are to China what Israel is to America CMV

I just want a normal operating system where I double click an app to activate or install it, and it has full functionality no ifs and or buts with my OS, and I can rightclick and get all the necessary functionalities of rightclicking.

sudo install better OS

Stupid dressed up DOS like operating system; yeah cause I really want to type up lines of instructions to do what windows can do with a double click; cause I want to spend two hours googling how to install non-Linux compatible software on Linux, and then spend two hours finding out why the solution didn't work making me feel like Indiana Jones excavating cursed ruins for a treasure you could've gotten at Walmart.

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[–] mbt2402@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago
[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yes, migrating from Windows to Linux is a learning curve. I totally appreciate it's frustrating, but it just comes down to "you were raised with a different thing."

I just want a normal operating system where I double click an app to activate or install it, and it has full functionality no ifs and or buts

I say this as someone who has spent years as IT support for Windows, Mac and Linux computers respectively. There's no such thing.

cause I want to spend two hours googling how to install non-Linux compatible software on Linux

I mean this is your problem. If you don't want to mess about googling how to do stuff, then use software that's built for the OS you're using??? You'd have infinitely more issues trying to get Windows to run software not designed for it.

My assumption is you're just used to closed Windows software. Linux has its own software and/or native executables for any tasks you'd need to do, and even many (or most??) games nowadays, where you can install/run everything with a double click and don't need to type anything.

Otherwise, if you're reliant on Windows-specific software for some reason, then sorry but you have to live with your costly insecure proprietary invasive nonfunctional OS slop. Instead complain to the developers for taking closed garden single-OS approach when it's actually incredibly easy nowadays to be multiplatform.

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[–] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago
[–] m532@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago
[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago
[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm so lost in the Linux sauce that whenever I have to use a windows computer I want to bash my head in. Plus KDE has the cube and wobbly windows which are essential for productivity.

[–] littleredbook@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean if you absolutely must use Windows applications, why not just use Windows? I won't tell anyone

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I want a Chinese OS specifically which is why I was hoping they'd made one that was a 1:1 of Windows.

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I don't think you know what you're asking for tbh

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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Why does it matter if the OS Chinese?

[–] reallyzen@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So I guess the most important thing in your life is playing PUBG then?

You do you, stay in your walled garden full of expiring licences, monthly subscriptions, invasive surveillance, ads - and so many bugs.

I need windows and macos for stuff at work, I own such machines. Only I don't use them outside of that exact, momentarily need.

Dual Boot is your friend.

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[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Linux is like if people frustrated with other airlines started their own. They build the planes, ticket counters, and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee to cover the cost of printing the ticket, but you can also download and print the ticket yourself. When you board the plane, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench and a copy of the seat-HOWTO.html. Once settled, the fully adjustable seat is very comfortable, the plane leaves and arrives on time without a single problem, the in-flight meal is wonderful. You try to tell customers of the other airlines about the great trip, but all they can say is, "You had to do what with the seat?"

[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

A joke so old the original included beOS, VMS, and OS/400.

[–] roux@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] Moss@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Piss is the shit of cum

I didn't read your post sorry

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Just use Linux, it's not actually as difficult to get working out of the box as people make it out to be. I was a computer noob when I got my first Linux distribution (debian with plasma kde) and it took me an hour to do everything (including googling). Not much longer than the time it takes to install windows.

And once you install a distribution of Linux with a decent desktop environment, you are pretty much good to go. Any functionality, shortcuts, automation that you want to add can usually be added and removed as needed, for free and relatively easily.

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

life got a lot better when I learned how to do sudo dpkg -i file.deb

I get mad mad when I get a windows pop up like "yes" or "remind me in 3 days"

[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

This reads like a BMF post if BMF spent his time railing against "stupid dressed up DOS like operating systems" instead of PMC DSA Karens.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Just use Linux Mint.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

I just want a normal operating system where I double click an app to activate or install it, and it has full functionality no ifs and or buts with my OS, and I can rightclick and get all the necessary functionalities of rightclicking.

None of the OS do this in 2024 btw. Windows 11 definitely doesn't do this with right-clicking since they hide so much shit in the second right-click menu lmao.

I want Windows but from China; I'm planning on buying a new PC soon and decided I'm getting one from there and thought I'd get a Chinese OS to go with it but had hoped to find Chinese Windows basically.

Windows is proprietary software, so people don't have access to the source code outside of leaks from really old versions of Windows that no one uses anymore. An open-source version of Windows has been in development since 1998 and has little to show for it all these decades later. There will never be a Chinese Windows unless Microsoft releases the source code.

[–] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Of course it will be Linux based, building an entire operating system, especially one acceptable by today's standards, is a ton of work. Not something you do over a few months with a small team of dedicated engineers. Linux serves as a great starting point to (relatively) quickly build a very usable desktop operating system that can be fully independent from the rest of the world if it so desires to be.

I'd definitely recommend trying something like Fedora, it's a great distribution for beginners and comes with everything you'd need out of the box to just go about your day and you can try it out and mess around with it without actually installing it to your system. You can install software & update your system with a graphical interface, you can manage your files with a graphical interface, and you can change pretty much every setting that matters with a graphical interface. It's not as scary as you may think and I promise you will most likely never need to "type up lines of instructions to do what Windows can do with a double click". Want to install Element (the Matrix client) for example? Open up the GNOME software center, search "Element", click install, done.

[–] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Adding to this, KDE Plasma is a desktop environment that's similar enough to Windows for newcomers to understand without too much issue. It's also just a good desktop environment all around.

[–] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yep, that's another great point. KDE Plasma isn't my cup of tea because it is in fact so similar to Windows, cluttered control panel and all! Though for someone coming from Windows who wants a very similar experience out of the box, it'd probably be great for them. Fedora even has a version that comes with KDE Plasma out of the box instead of GNOME.

[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

it has full functionality no ifs and or buts with my OS, and I can rightclick and get all the necessary functionalities of rightclicking.

This is really funny because I've been hearing complaints about the Windows right click menu ever since 11 dropped

[–] Lawn_and_disorder@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

OK I bite. I have used Linux for almost two decades, last decade without dualboot. Got a windows laptop from work, im glad I don't have to mess with it and just hand it to IT department instead. Seen windows home PCs people use and the absulute horror it is.. last time I used windows , and this is the way, at least for people who don't login on givemeavirus.com, is: Windows AME Chocolatey Hostfile adblock/malwareblock

At least 70% shit removed.

Go for that and dualboot it until you are familiar with Linux. Its just a skill issue 😉

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Just use Bazzite, works out of the box, basically doesn't break, is very up-to-date, comes with KDE which is similar enough to Windows but can do so much more and install anything you need from the app store. It also has the ability to install from other ways and the documentation for it is decent enough on their forums.

[–] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bazzite (and atomic/immutable distributions in general) are really neat, but I personally avoid recommending them to first time Linux users because if they end up searching for a solution to a problem they're having on the internet, the top solutions that pop up in their search engine most likely not going to be what they're looking for or even work. Explaining the concepts of an immutable distribution and things like rpm-ostree to someone new to Linux can be quite the challenge and turn them off because of they'll most likely interpret it as unnecessary complexity to achieve a simple goal.

[–] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I get what you're saying and I would definitely agree in the case of Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite. I specifically said Bazzite because it is specifically made to be as hassle free as possible while also providing a lot out of the box.

If someone needs help there's a dedicated forum for that, documentation and also a Discord server. It can be more complex in some areas for troubleshooting, but it is also big enough to the point where you can get help if needed.

Bazzite has been the smoothest experience I ever had on Linux since I started using it in 2018 when Proton launched. I even use it on my main computer and laptop.

If I had to recommend a non atomic distro the only ones would be Solus and Nobara, but on Nobara you need to keep an eye on their Discord because of manual interventions every now and then.

[–] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

I've never used Bazzite personally, only seen a couple of videos about it and have some prior experience with messing around with Ublue images, so I can't really comment on Bazzite specifically shrug-outta-hecks. If their forums are active and friendly towards people with questions, I guess go for it! penguin-love

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I've got a Linux OS that essentially emulates a Windows 7 interface, called ZorinOS. There's still compatibility issues sometimes though.

[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 month ago
[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

Protocols of the elders of Linux

[–] farting_weedman@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You’re exactly right.

It will be easier to switch to macos than linux of any kind.

Macos also can act as a “bridge” to eventually understanding Linux enough to comfortably switch.

Apple shit is made in china. They had to switch back to primarily Chinese manufacture after the Indian factories they were trying to spin up as a hedge against American geopolitical bullshit kept fucking up.

[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Mac OS is the DSA of operating systems.