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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 27 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

You mean NORAD missile defence system?

The point of putting it around Canada was so missiles would be shot down over it instead of the US

[–] dwemthy@lemdro.id 4 points 1 hour ago

If NORAD can keep us safe from Santa they can keep us safe from anything

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

He must have recently rewatched Reagan's Star Wars videos.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Totally different. Iron dome is way more extensive.

We don't need iron dome because we have oceans on our borders. If Mexico collapses, though. Maybe need it.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

Not really different at all, the iron done is just much newer/advanced tech

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 17 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

It's to keep us pesky Canadians from trebuchet-ing poutine over the border.

[–] YerbaYerba@lemm.ee 5 points 4 hours ago

Are you telling me it's futile to face north, open my mouth and hope for poutine to rain upon me?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

Keep the cobra chickens at bay. Smort.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago

To protect us from whom? I thought his love affairs with Putin and Kim Jong would protect us from anyone that might want to attack the US?

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

About time! We in Michigan are tired of the moose raids from Canada. They swim across our half of the lake and eat up our maple syrup.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

10 iron domes would not be enough!

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

What about 10 Gustav railway guns loaded with WP shells?

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Great, just what we need, an even louder Trump

A young Bart Simpson banging on a cooking pot on his head

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Do you think he realizes it's not LITERALLY a dome?

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

And in the shape of a T

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Simpsons did it!

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 31 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I can build that for him for a cool 250 billion. I'm willing to guarantee 0% penetration of short range rockets launched by Hezbollah from anywhere in Lebanon.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's outrageous! I'll do it for 249 billion!

[–] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 12 hours ago

Honestly, I'll do it for a hundred bucks.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 42 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

There already is one. There are aound 100 Patriot missile batteries in the US. As usual Trump knows nothing about the subject he talks about.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 25 points 14 hours ago

To be fair, they told him about this in dozens of briefings, but he was always distracted by his Happy Meal toy.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What do they need 100 Patriot batteries for? Are they that scared of the Mexicans and Canadians?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 14 points 14 hours ago

People in red states need jobs, it's a welfare program.

Also, billionaires get richer and can own colonies, but don't look behind the curtain.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago

AND MEXICO WILL PAY FOR IT!!!

/s

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 53 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Could have shortened the title significantly, and reuse it daily.

"Trump speaks, experts say that's ridiculous"

[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 7 hours ago

the onion should've gotten on that a decade ago

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 19 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

To protect the US from rockets from... Canada?

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

To protect him & his billionaire buddies from his fellow Americans.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 2 points 15 hours ago

TBF if the don gets in power that might eventually become a real concern.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Pretty sure we have multiple anti missile systems deployed already.

Also, who's shooting missiles at America right now?

I mean, other than North Korea, but that's like a 10 year old with a water rocket trying to blow up the school from across town.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

I'm sure a tinfoil hat can be arranged.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

"I was elected to lead, not to read."

[–] Tower@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago
[–] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Trump thinks we are in the Middle East

[–] ours@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Just East of the Midwest duh.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't this just Reagan's "Star Wars" program under a different name?

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yup - anyone who is likely to try and hit the US is far enough away is going to be using long range ballistic missiles, and it's been pretty conclusively demonstrated that it's technically feasible to intercept a single missile, it sure isn't reliable enough to be a reasonable deterrent or cheap enough to build enough launchers to give you any amount of coverage.

Iron dome works because Israel is small, with a concentrated population, and is being attacked with small, short range rockets that are easy to spot on radar - that isn't a likely scenario for the US to face

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Well, we're probably working on that with the SM-3. They took out a satellite with it so hitting a mid course ICBM shouldn't be too hard.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The issue with ICBM interception as I understand it is that it's one of those cases where the economics heavily favor the attacker. An intercept missile requires a rocket just as capable the one launching the target, if not more so. But, you can't afford letting even a few nukes get through, even one is devasting, so given that the chance of a successful intercept isn't 100 percent (my understanding is that it's well below 100% currently, for likely real world conditions), you need several intercept missiles for every missile your enemy has. Any countermeasures that make taking the enemy missile out harder, like deploying decoys or such, increases the needed resources on your end far more than it increases the resources used by them.

It might be viable against countries like North Korea where the difference in resources is vast enough, but against any serious opponent like Russia or China, it's not likely to work out.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

There are a couple things working in the defender's favor. The payload isn't nearly as heavy or large, so the rocket actually is quite a bit cheaper. This means putting multiples up for each ICBM isn't impossible. Also countermeasures deploy after re-entry. The SM-3 taking out a satellite was a big deal because it means it can hit stuff before re-entry and the protective covers come off. This also significantly cuts down on the number of intercepts required because Russian missiles actually carry a whole bunch of warheads and decoys.

So yeah it's still pretty hard to stop every warhead, but it's not the same situation as the 1980's where we'd be living in a post nuclear wasteland with every major city obliterated. Which is the point. We can go on as a country with a few craters. We cannot go on if we eat a thousand warheads.

To add really quick, it is a lot less missiles than people think. For example the Russians have 5,500 warheads. If all of them were slated for ICBMs then that would be around 500 missiles. Less because their smaller yields fit 15 per missile. And they aren't all slated for ICBMs either. Their current idea of ICBM defense is actually to send up short range nukes and nuke their own sky. They also have submarine and plane warheads which are dealt with by other missile defense systems. I don't want to make it sound like nukes are no big deal. I just don't want people thinking we're in the same situation we were 40 years ago. It would be a lot less devastating today.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They can take out an ICBM. It can't take out all the ICBMs.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

We have more than one of them?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Is he going to occupy Mexico too? Maybe some modern manifest destiny?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 18 hours ago

It's called the Atlantic/Pacific oceans sport

He wants a fake airspace defense system that puts on light shows to convince the domestic public that America is "under attack"?

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