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[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You don't need tariffs, you need taxes. The problem isn't that your economy isn't doing well, it's that too much of the wealth goes to the top and too little to lower and middle class. It's not normal that one man has more than 250 billion.

[–] LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I may even argue that it is not normal that someone has more that one billion :)

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

try one hundred times less

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (9 children)

he won't though. so enjoy your rights being taken away and rising cost of groceries.

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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 181 points 4 days ago (11 children)

I'm still worried about how he's even going to accomplish that, seeing as he's also planning to deport the cheapest sources of agricultural labor.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 217 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Simple. Prices will go up, Trump will hold a press conference announcing prices are lower, and 50% of the country will believe prices are lower instead of the lying mainstream media.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You mean the lies of their eyes. I believe Orwell had something to say on the subject.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

More likely he’ll use tax money to subsidize red state groceries so their eyes won’t lie to them as much.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"The Demonrats voted for Nazi Kamala so they don't deserve food! We're taking federal tax income from NY communist state and Calicommufornia and subsiding Fantastic Florida Patriots food! Oh, and they're the party of hate not us! Fuck Democrats, hope they all die! Merry Christmas to all!"

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

The mainstream media will report that Trump said prices are lower, and not actually point out that he is a lying liar.

[–] RedditReject@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You forgot the part where he blames the democrats

[–] tea 22 points 4 days ago

This the the answer. The two major tenets of his platform are "raise tarrifs" (inflationary!) and "deport immigrants" (raising costs on production). Shit is going to get more expensive, but it won't matter if facts continue not to matter and you have a boogieman to shake your stick at.

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[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago

Plus adding tariffs to everything.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That's easy! Repeal child labor laws and massively increase prison populations for slave labor!

...they did say private prisons were among the groups very happy to see a Trump victory. Wonder why...

I will make sure to suicide by cop before I end up a literal corporate slave, I will force the guards to kill me.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 26 points 4 days ago (4 children)

And what happens if he closes the border with Mexico? Is he going to disrupt trade with them too? Here in Texas an overwhelming majority of our produce is Mexican-grown

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago

Hell, in Canada we mostly have Mexican vegetables and fruits most of the year because people want to eat the same things year long instead of eating the way people did just 100 years ago...

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 150 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I hate that republicans like saying that republicans are better for the economy when they're not

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 71 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Well, to be fair, that graph only looks like that because the Dems always seem to inherit a dogshit economy that's been destroyed by conservative policies, then the Republicans inherit a strong economy before destroying it.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Yup, unfortunately people don't understand that policies only change the equilibrium, but sometimes take longer than electoral cycles to see effect.

That's why no party really gives a shit about bringing down the national debt, because twofold:

  • people hate you in your term because that's less money being spent for their benefit now
  • the opposition can have more spending room to provide more benefits in their term, making them more popular.
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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Republicans aren’t better for the the economy, they’re better at telling people they’re better for the economy.

The public doesn’t grock a long or nuanced list of economic policies. This is a painful lesson that the democrats never seam to learn.

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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's actually true worldwide. Wanna see how an economy looks like after over 30 years of almost uninterrupted conservative leadership? Look at where Germany stands now. Crumbling infrastructure, worst Internet in Europe, industry unable and/or unwilling to open itself to modern technology (best example being the German car industry).

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (10 children)

What's worse is that the public is so fucking moronic that they EVER believe a word of it. It would be impossible to underestimate how stupid voters are. Honestly. They only surpass their stupidity with their selfishness

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[–] half_fiction@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 days ago

I hate even more that everyone somehow believes them, just because they've said it enough times.

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[–] solstice@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's a little detail in the show that I always liked. They didn't shove it in your face and I appreciate the subtlety.

The detail is that there were actually very few groceries in the grocery store. If you look closely, the produce is always very low quality, and there just wasn't that much to choose from. It was a big deal when they got those navel oranges. Not much meats either, and they mostly got canned goods and such. It highlights how shitty their society is without going too overboard. "You might not have noticed, but your brain did."

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

Even more obvious in the book, where its mentioned that even the commander can't afford to eat meat whenever he wants.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 130 points 4 days ago (9 children)

prices went up under Trump, Trump told people the prices went down, and dumb people believe him.

Biden told corporations to lower their prices, the corporations lowered their prices, Trump said prices went up, dumb people believed him.

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[–] vordalack@lemm.ee 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Lol, groceries are about to go up. Trump wants to continue a pointless tariff war with China. It's not going to work.

The CPC is more than willing to plunge their own citizens into poverty to outlast the US. Americans complain over a 20 cent increase in gas. How do you think they'll react when most of their goods suddenly increase by 30% or more?

Chinese labor made the American middle class.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And the deportations will end up raising grocery prices.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago

I think it's funny how Tankies pretend China is a paradise. China will absolutely starve every man, woman, and child over the pettiest of shit, there's no telling what they'd do to win a tariff war.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It killed the US middle class, or better, was one of the bigger factors in doing so. The American middle class was strongest post war until the late 70s. That was when our economic policies shifted to off-shoring as much labor as possible, and when the Chinese special economic zone polices were started, in cooperation with the US. The loss of manufacturing jobs in the following decades gutted the US middle class.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yeah, how can people not see this? The "American Dream" and times of middle class prosperity were very obviously before China opened its economy and became the new industrial hub of the world. And when off-shoring started, so did real wage stagnation/decline.

Selling the declining American middle class plastic toys did not "make" that class. What made it were stable well paying manufacturing jobs. Trump won't bring those back with a trade war with China, but the claim that Chinese labor "made" the American middle class is just delusional.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Uhm... Gonna have to wildly disagree with you there, wartime and postwar industrialization and strong unions created the American middle class, globalism breaking the unions is what has destroyed the middle class.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 61 points 4 days ago (6 children)

The best part is that Trump will not bring down the price of groceries.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Particularly since they're looking at produce. Who's going to pick that produce after he starts rounding up immigrants? White people? Good luck with that.

Florida and Georgia have both had crops left rotting in the fields after they enacted draconian policies about immigrants. Now we're going to see supply plummet at a national level and prices will skyrocket. They'll blame Biden for it what it happens.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Except he won't, of course.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 47 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You know, except there's no motivation for retailers to lower prices no matter how cheap the the products become nor how low their taxes are.

[–] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Correct. A dozen eggs will never be $1.40 again.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

blessed be the groceries

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 3 days ago

No. They hate fruits, too.

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[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Canadian commentary:

I know it’s difficult with corporate greed and price gouging right now, I’m not debating that.

I’m worried that the food that people gravitate toward is unhealthy, ultra processed and cheaper on purpose. You need to buy MORE of this kind of food to stay full.

The US has, in my understanding, a lot of food deserts where healthier options are not available and people are pushed to eat empty calories.

The late-stage capitalist system wears people so thin that the effort to find and cook cheap healthy meals can be overwhelming if you don’t usually do this.

Portions in North America are HUGE.

There are ways to eat for cheaper but I understand that takes effort. For example, I order a $23 CDN all in produce box to my door of oddly shaped/sized produce that feeds two adults for a week. The largest box at $49 easily feeds a family of 4. It takes effort to find and locate services like this. Only available in big cities too.

I guess what I’m trying to say is it seems like the structure of society and capitalism makes the impact of corporate greed RE: groceries SO much worse.

Not to mention the wars, gas, and housing prices.

I know a lot of people are low information but since this issue in my perspective is aggravated and accelerated by so many factors, it still baffles me that people accept the solution is more Republican trickle down economics and tariffs which seem like they’re just going to make the problem worse for everyone.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Definitely thought this was a statement on Amish Pennsylvania at first... cuz that's just how markets look like there lol

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