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Tech tycoon Elon Musk joined a call between US President-elect Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky the day after the presidential election, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 426 points 4 days ago (5 children)

God, I feel for Zelensky... Imagine fighting for your existence against Russia and having to talk to these morons for help.

[–] mongooseofrevenge@lemmy.world 196 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Remember when we had a whole impeachment hearing against Trump for withholding aid to Ukraine so he could get a political hit piece on Biden? I'm wondering how long it will take before a quid pro quo scenario pops up again. Either in Ukraine or elsewhere. So ya, we're all feeling for Zelensky in the next few years.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 87 points 4 days ago (11 children)

There will be no agreements.

trump is going to change US policy to excluding all intelligence and military support and will "leak" all known military intel to putin.

[–] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As though nobody considered what he was actually doing with all those confidential documents.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't worry. He was just confused last time and totally will never steal and leak sensitive information ever again because that would be against the law. Just like he won't extend his presidency or rig an election because that would violate the constitution.

We've been seeing this shit for months. At first I thought it was just contrarian dumbasses. But I have increasingly realized that this is people convincing themselves that it was fine to vote for trump. Oh, he wasn't REALLY going to do anything to violate teh constitution when he led an armed insurrection against the capital and was just buying time for rudy g to solve things. Oh, he isn't going to serve the country to putin because all those heroic men and women in uniform will stop him this time for real.

It is fucking idiocy.

[–] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a 4th generation veteran, it makes so angry to think how many people died in the name of democracy and suddenly half the population is choosing for someone intending to end it to run the show.

We’re in for some dark times ahead.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

And a lot of those people are the children of parents that fought/died in WW2 against the Nazis, and had family or children even that fought/died against dictators like the one they fucking elected!

Not only that, but they tried to overthrow the government their family died defending for this charlatan. It's so pathetic my brain goes in loops trying to understand the absolute madness of it.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 29 points 3 days ago

Zelensky probably spent the whole call wondering if it would be faster to just hand deliver everything they talked about directly to Putin.

I'm sure his conclusion at the end was "We need to build nukes immediately".

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[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 99 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Since when do we allow regular civilians to participate in diplomatic calls?

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Since the US bacame an oligarchy.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Since they have over $200 billion dollars

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's almost like a member of Trump's cabinet was sentenced to prison for doing that exact thing between Trump's 2016 election and taking office.

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When you have a president that dgaf about anything saying otherwise.

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[–] Fester@lemm.ee 146 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Remember when they used to try to keep corruption somewhat hidden and deniable? Now the richest man in the world is just going to be walking around the White House, tugging the government’s leash on full display.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago

Love watching the oligarchs take over...it's nowhere near as subtle as I thought it was going to be.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 109 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Fucker will disable Starlink in Ukraine and allow it in Russia

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 94 points 4 days ago (2 children)

He's going to be on the cabinet while getting billions in government contracts. The richest man in the world just got a job where he gets to to shovel more government money to himself. And that's what Trump calls 'draining the swamp' and 'sticking it to the elites'.

And somehow, instead of democrats calling that out, they decided to find their own elites to trot out.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Worst of it, government money is your tax dollar... You will pay more and more taxes to funnel the money to Trump's friends. Trump is the swamp thing!

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago

Hilarious that his administration is already leaking worse than a Russian submarine.

[–] uebquauntbez@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ukraine is f*cked now and soon Europe too.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Technically, a lot of NATO countries still have nukes. So they might be half as fucked.

[–] hyperreal@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Musk's whole "slash government spending" schtick is such a farce. Tesla wouldn't have domestic manufacturing facilities without a DOE loan. SpaceX survives off of government contracts.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago

Slash government funding for everything except the socialism for the rich.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

The NPR article goes into this. Elon likely will award himself money without oversight while cutting programs like NPR and the SEC and other regulatory bodies etc.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Slash Social Security, add EV subsidies, make them so that only Tesla qualifies in practice.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

nice, a five year old participating in diplomacy regarding nation destroying wars. what could go wrong.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 73 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Zelensky deserves better than these hosers

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Maybe Germany France Italy Spain Sweden Finland Poland ... and the UK could step up?

I mean let me dream a little.

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago

This is bad

[–] Takios@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 3 days ago

I guess we now know who will really hold power in the oval office. Spoiler: it's not Trump

He paid for Ukraine's StarLink connections that he shuts off when Musk feels like it, and the incoming president who will shut off aid when Musk feels like it.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What a dilema for Ukraine! I feel their abandonment will be a microcosm for our leaving to the wolves.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 54 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I think a lot of Americans don't understand that the USA hedgemony isn't a divine right, it was a deliberate construction with tacit agreement of convenience from the western world.

Much like an economy, belief makes it so.

Much like the UK's arrogance has driven them into geopolitical obscurity, so will the USA's.

In 15 years, Americans are going to wake up and realize that their voices are irrelevant in the world. I don't know how y'all are going to handle it.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The USA became dominant by letting the world fight itself to ruins, then entering into the war late and declaring victory. TWICE.

Being the only mostly undestroyed nation after a world war is immensely profitable.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

When you're a star they let you do it.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't he have like ten companies to run... into the ground?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

A scammer gets reeled into a phone call between a president and a mobster wannabe.

Great timeline

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