*edited post title to make it clear that this is a joke
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Yeah that's when I'm hitting cancel.
Usually it isn't the store pushing this, but Square itself. They take a percentage of each transaction so they naturally want to make the charges as high as possible.
Fake news. This can all be configured in square.
Oh thanks for clarifying this. I thought Square as in "don't be a square" and POS for well, "piece of shit".
I'm so used to telling homeless folks I have no money that I'm pretty sure I can look the barista or whoever straight in the eye and say "No tip."
Actually kind of fucked society pushes us to that point, huh?
I really almost never have cash on me anymore so my soul is unburdened. I sometimes do charitable acts but it rarely involves giving money to people on street corners. That's just a 9 to 5 for a bunch of them.
POS systems including tip requests really piss me off. We recently discovered a great local restaurant and we order food from them (and pick it up, to take home) a few times a month. They have one of those POS systems and it really irritates me to have to tap 'No Tip' in plain view of the cashier every time. We're picking up food; I'm walking up to a counter, collecting a bag, swiping a credit card and leaving. Why the fuck would I tip for that? I don't tip at the grocery store and cashiers there do the same amount of work.
As a bartender, if someone is picking up a to go order it's expected that they won't tip.
Most places mark Togo orders such that the staff aren't tipping out on them (for obvious reasons) so it shouldn't make a difference to the worker that they didn't get a tip on it.
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POS: "Please tell the cashier."
Me to the cashier: "This place needs to pay you a living wage. Let me know if you and your coworkers need help setting up a union."
POS: "not like that"
The punchline is that the cashier doesn’t get any of the tips; they’re pure profit for the business.
"Hi customer, would you like to give us bonus money for no reason other than your accommodating nature?"
Yeah. Only ever tip in cash and in person. The suave 20-in-the-handshake looks cool but it's risky.
How is it risky? Once I bribed two people within five minutes in Chicago to get on a flight I was late for. What did I risk?
Tipping culture is weird and I only ever hear people mention it in the context of hating it. Yet they seem to have the mindset that there are no other options.
Have you talked to a lot of servers about it? I have a few friends who are servers who hate the idea of cutting out tips and just making minimum wage because they would make significantly less money.
Tips were first used as a way for rail lines to avoid having to pay black coach attendants a wage.
It isn't surprising that service workers don't want to abolish tips, since that's primarily how they get paid now - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't abolish them. The owners should have to pay their workers a living wage. By making that the consumer's responsibility, it frees the business owner from the responsibility of paying their workers for their labor.
Tip wages are exploitative, plain and simple.
That's the tipping I like. When I'm getting served. I want to sit at my table and enjoy the whole experience. I want my water refilled, I was to be asked if I want another drink. I want the courses the flow on and off the table. I want to be able to talk about the dishes. Then I want to tip based on how well it all went.
Obligate tipping for counter service is bullshit.
For maybe a month or two, but when the restraints are no longer to hold on to good staff at minimum wage, employers will have to start offering more to get people to work for them.
Yeah -- The goal is not to keep servers, etc. working at minimum wage, it's to eliminate tips in favor of employers paying a livable wage.
I'd rather the menu prices reflect the actual cost of the item, including the service workers' wages, than have to tack on another n% at the end. And, at least back in the before-times for the like, month, I worked as a server, I would've loved to go to work and not worry about "Oh shit, it's the Sunday church crowd" and resign myself to not making any money that shift.
I like your optimism.
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Yeah, maybe let's not give the corpos any more ideas
A buck. And never return. Fuck that.
OP, just saying "(not real, fyi)" in the text part of the post seems a bit misleading.
Sorry, I've posted lots of this guy's stuff here and I assumed most are familiar with him, but I just had the afterthought to add that text to the post body since this one seems sort of plausible.
I'll tweak the title to be more clear.
Bruh. Not EVERY interaction with a cash register or payment portal is meant to include a tip. The bill is for the goods or service for which I am doing business with you company, i.e. the only reason you are getting my money in the first place. The tip is for the individual that performed a service to me beyond simply providing the previously mentioned good or service. And ideally it is for service beyond the bare minimum (but due to shitty minimum wage laws for roles that expect tips making them dependent on them, there still exists an expectation to tip even for mid or bad service). I will happily tip a server, bartender, barista, barber (there are a weird number of service jobs that start with 'bar'...), or someone that is interacting with customers, providing an experience of service, and will adapt to my shitty needs and requests as a customer, particularly if they are dependent on tips as a portion of their wage. But I am not tipping a cook for making my food in a restaurant. I am not tipping my mechanic for doing an oil change. I am not tipping a cashier for taking my money. I am not tipping MY FUCKING LANDLORD! You are already charging me for the things you are doing. I am not going to voluntarily inflate the price you are charging me for no damn reason. Fuck, sometimes it isn't even clear who would be getting the tip. I'm surprised they don't already ask for tips at the grocery store self-checkout. This shit is dumb.
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I've definitely noticed that my favorite takeout place's POS makes giving no tip as hard as possible (Other->No Tip->Yes). "Fortunately" that is also a place where the owner is a prick and doesn't share tips with the staff so they encourage you to leave no tip.
And the really funny thing? If it wasn't about the same number of presses to leave a custom tip, I would generally round up at most POSes. Which isn't a lot, but it does tend to cover credit card fees on the average and makes card statements easier to skim. Of course, I have also noticed a rise in "Regular" and "Cash" pricing where those fees are explicitly passed on to the customers to begin with so...
I'll tip quite generously for a sit down meal or something like a haircut. For calling me up to the counter when my takeout is ready? Fuck off.
I'd report the owner to the DoL. I'm fairly certain they're breaking the law
- There is a lot of wiggle room about how POS based tipping is treated from a legal perspective
- The food service industry, much like repair/contracting, is notorious for being largely unenforceable for fines like this
- Let's just say that I like the crew that does the actual work there and I am pretty sure none of them are in this country legally...
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owner is a prick and doesn't share tips with the staff
This is fraud and should be illegal. Even though it's not illegal, the staff can sue him and will win.
I just love how on the Uber eats app. they have a "set your own tip amount" button that doesn't work...
If I saw this I'm taking a picture, turning around, and filing a chargeback with my bank before I make it to the car
ESPECIALLY if it's for food, hope it hits your bottom line, assholes
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