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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 25 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

There are two bright sides to this (and dark sides as well):

-This will decrease demand of Chinese goods in the U.S., hurting a country that is ... problematic to say the least. (Anyone remember the Uyghurs? The O.G. Gazens?) It probably won't shift demand back to the U.S. factories, but maybe it is time for another country to become the slave-labor-ish manufacturing capital of the world.

-When the prices skyrocket, along with food from all the missing immigrant farm hands, Trump will get blamed. I just hope this wasn't the plan all along and those "fake" inflation hikes back after covid weren't to cover for the real ones down the road.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 31 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

When the prices skyrocket, along with food from all the missing immigrant farm hands, Trump will get blamed.

i really hope you’re right, but i think that will most likely get blamed on biden “ruining the economy” in his last term, or something in that vein. a lot of trump voters get their news from fox news or directly from donald trump, and i can’t imagine either of those sources criticizing trumps economic policies.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Funny that we both posted the same concern at the same time.

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

i’m glad that we both realized that 17 minutes ago was the perfect time to post that comment

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

When the prices skyrocket, along with food from all the missing immigrant farm hands, Trump will get blamed.

In all likelihood, only a small percentage of his voters will actually blame him for the predictable consequences of his tariffs. The rest of them will believe Trump when he blames it on Biden's economic policies that were put in place before Trump's second term. Our egos have a funny way of making us do mental gymnastics to avoid having to accept the idea of oneself being wrong.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 148 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

No shit.

This is literally in the first paragraph of every economics textbook when they talk about tariffs.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 81 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Donald Trump didn't win the Presidency by reading textbooks.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 40 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

How do you get by in life without reading? I mean, don’t you have to know what the symbols on clocks mean to tell time?

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

don’t you have to know what the symbols on clocks mean to tell time

not all types of clocks.

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] islands@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 hours ago

Numbers aren't words duh.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 22 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And you don't need a textbook to understand how the very basics of business work. You know, the thing people seem convinced he understands? A fucking toddler has more knowledge than Trump. The United States of America doesn't have two brain cells to rub together

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They heard lower taxes, and simply misunderstood that tariffs are another form of taxation.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

They heard whatever they wanted to hear, because that rambling shitgibbon said everything to everybody.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

He won it by taking bribes from billionaires, like a true politician

[–] pyrflie@lemm.ee 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

He won it because Biden sabotaged the democratic electoral base for four years.

Trump lost 1m vote 2020-2024, dems lost 12-10m.

Thats what happens when you undercut your own base and key demographic allies.

[–] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 32 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody who voted for Trump read that book homie.

[–] Zidane@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

Nobody who voted for Trump read[s] ~~that book homie.~~

Fixed that for ya

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

No, the first page is how it introduces inefficiencies into a supply/demand equilibrium, resulting in a lower quantity supplied and at a higher price.

No one who every studies economics, even in passing, would even consider another country paying a tarrif for something you buy. The concept is just.... what?

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Clearly we need to add those to the banned books list

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 46 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Pretty sure everyone was told this before the election.

Problem:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/11/12/trump-election-win-college-educated-voters/76109508007/

"Harris outperformed Biden’s 2020 numbers among white voters with college degrees. Meanwhile, exit polling from NBC News gave Republicans a 9-point gain with voters who never attended college."

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

A simple google search would have many credible sources giving the answer to what tarrifs are.

But to the magats, only fox news has the truth.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 hours ago

'I love the poorly educated', donald j trump, feb 2016.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 26 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Thing is, basic economics is a high school subject, except:

"Sir, when am I going to have to know how tariffs work in the real world?"

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You had econ in HS? Mine had it but it was only an elective.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think mine even had it as an elective. We were too busy spending 2 years of history classes learning how nice the Pilgrims were to the natives. And this was in Massachusetts, which I believe ranks #1 in education in the US.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

#1 in education.

And also the only state in the country where every precinct voted for Harris.

Surely that must be a coincidence, right?

[–] Trual@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Hmm maybe my highschool was far below average then

[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Basic economics was not a required class in my high school. Macro and Micro Economics were both electives.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

tariffs, trade wars, and their effects surely were covered, or at least touched on, in a history class or two.

[–] pyrflie@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Harris lost demographics impacted by Biden policies. She failed to disasociate herself with a candidate that his own base wouldn't support.

Keep pushing this if you want dems to keep losing.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 65 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's a certainty, not a fucking "likelihood'. That's how they work.

[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 33 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You mean there's no chance that Wal-Mart might choose to absorb the increased prices out of the goodness of their hearts? :o

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Well, the far-right courts made that illegal for publicly-traded companies, so, no.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 40 points 6 hours ago

just like mexico paid for his 'wall'

[–] suzune@ani.social 16 points 5 hours ago

The good thing about Trump is that other countries will try to get more independent from the US.

[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Duuuh. Did they really think the company would just eat the additional costs? What a bunch of maroons.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They thought the exporting country/company would pay for it.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

and without raising the price they sell it at. which is just many millions of sad examples of how 'effective' the republicants war on public education has been.

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 17 points 6 hours ago

I have a trick to get others to pay it for me:

trix

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

I’m very glad I live in Canada.

[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago

Over 51% of men are voting for Poilivre in the next election. That's across all age groups. We're where we usually are: 5-10 years behind something the US is doing.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago

I'm not sure, USA is way too close for comfort

[–] TurnpikeRangers@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I've heard that y'all have your own far-right, MCGA bullshit to deal with. Do everything you can to stop it. Get involved with as many organizations as you can and get as many people involved as you can. "It'll never happen here" is complete and utter bullshit. Good luck, Northern brethren.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The USA screwing up trade never leaves Canada in a good spot. Our prices will go up too. And we're about to suffer the same effect of mass ignorance after the next federal election when the voters elect a populist bigot with no idea how to run a country. We're already suffering it in the provincial governments. Plus the bigots in Canada feel empowered to get loud and violent when the Americans are all doing it. I'm glad not to be living in the USA but we're not looking forward to fun times.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago
[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

And Walmart will but only by a tinsy tiny bit. That’s why they’re coming out and saying this.