Slop.

Musk is doing the Nazi salute inside the Capitol while on live TV, and the thing they are worried about is tankies? Wild.

"Do you see anyone tolerating fascists in here??"

every comment is about the double genocide theory

Lmao this is hilarious. The mods removed (highly upvoted) comments that were pushing back on the post, including deleting the comments of the only person who actually met "tankies" irl.

"Anti-authoritarians" and suppression of "free speech", name a more iconic duo. Shit spins like clockwork.

The .ml instances are meant to stand for “Maoist/Leninist” so you’ll see a lot of tankies from those .ml instances…

Fuck everyone who tries to maintain or implement hierarchies.

Let's just leave the 12-year-olds alone

Recently I have been thinking over why I find this sort of liberal anti-communism so pathetic, and I think its because there is something particularly aggravating about being scolded by a person whose level of ideological development so closely resembles a past version of myself.

If you are an atheist, you have probably encountered the specific form of anti-atheist propaganda wherein which a religious person will say something like "I used to be an atheist, I was so mad at god every day and hated him, but then I found blah blah". These anecdotes usually make me want to laugh; its obvious they were never former atheists, and are simply (and sloppily) trying to create a strawman atheist to convince you of how bad it is. The point im trying to make is that there probably aren't a lot of serious atheists who go on to convert to religion; its a cognitive step that, once made, is hard to take back.

The argument I am trying to make is that being a communist is the same thing. If I asked you to show me a committed, well read marxist-leninist who decided to become a liberal, I imagine you would be hard pressed to find one. I specify "committed" and "well read" because I'm sure some lemmitor would counter-argue "But I loved to play the soviet anthem out loud on the school bus when i was in middle school, and now I love Joe Biden!". However, if I asked you to show me a committed liberal who became a communist, many of you would raise your hands, as would I!

And this is sort of the crux of the point im trying to make. Its really frustrating seeing the smugness of these individuals with regards to their hate for tankies, because I see myself in them. I know that they are literally just who I was in high school; before I had read any communist works, before I had tried to study history, etc. When I see a particularly arrogant comment from one of them, I cant help but imagine my 16 year old self saying it instead, and I just want to explain to him that he is literally just a version of me that knows less about the world, and that therefore his smugness is unwarranted.

I would like to find a way to explain this to a liberal that isnt too condescending, because I imagine it could be a powerful source of doubt for their neoliberal beliefs. Something along the lines of "I reached your level of political development many years ago, and surpassed it. You, on the other hand, were never a communist, let alone did you "surpass it"", except thats incredibly smug redditor speak and I think it would aggravate someone too much for them to process it. I used religion as the blueprint because thats where I have obviously seen this dynamic play out the most; if any of you are formerly religious and were convinced to stop being religious by a person who once belonged to your religion, maybe you have a useful anecdote for how they were able to arouse doubt in your beliefs without insulting your intelligence.

Papering over anti-fascist art to make it be instead about a nonsensical anti-communist vendetta?

It's liberal time!

I love how the only person in there who has actually met tankies online says that the don't mind tankies because the were all queer and opposed capitalism/colonialism

Literally everybody else in there is fighting against ghosts. As much as our lib hate can be unhealthy, at least we have met such people irl (unfortunate, I know).

Radlib on the train to the camps labeled "tankies"

"Excuse me, mr Nazi, sir. I think I'm not on the correct train I'm not a tankie I'm a real communist"

Russia, China and North Korea’s apologists

Literally what has the DPRK done to anyone that people would need to apologize for?

I mean things that really happened, with evidence and stuff. The Wile E. Coyote atrocity stories sourced from South Korean tabloids that constantly appear in the Western press don't count.

Think real hard...

I wish one of them would wander in here so I could ask a question:

(gonna focus on American politics here but this maps to other Western contexts) Obviously if you're an anarchist/radical liberal/whatever you have a lot of disagreements with the "tankies." I'm gonna assume a tankie to be someone with the views of Vijay Prashad, Losurdo, Parenti, something in that vicinity. They want a socialist state to oppress the bourgeoisie, while still maintaining some capitalist production relations as a means to develop productive forces (obviously some anti-Dengists will disagree here, but you know, general vibes). That's a reasonable ideological disagreement. But here's what I don't get: the difference in what you aim to achieve is meaningful, but still quite small; whereas the difference between your goals and the Democratic Party's goals couldn't be more different. You want to abolish all unjust hierarchies, right? How can you be so hostile to "tankies" that wish to preserve like 20% of the unjust hierarchies you dislike, but vote for the Democratic Party which is actively preserving 100% of the hierarchies? If you have any principles at all, why are you so hostile to "tankies" yet you seem to be quite comfortable with a political party that is actively committing genocide. Are tankies not an even lesser evil? What reasoning could lead you to think that they aren't?

Amazing replies (emphasis added):

If anyone wants to argue. Both want an oppressive rule that brings about very great gains to the society. Certain parts are eradicated.

All in the name of greater good.

More importantly, oppression magically skips over them.

Yes, that is fascism. Funny you ask.

The post is about removing tankies from the community and that's justified partly on the grounds that tankies what to remove certain parts of society (fascists, counter-revolutionaries).

They're trying to do the liberal thing of calling a particular action bad )while ignoring the target of the action)...and at the same approving of the action when their community does it.

And some people here thought we should refed with blahaj after the drama with /c/196 lmao

90% of online leftism is plauged by the fear of coherent tactics or strategy.

Yes, we will (critically) support any means to enable the ends we want.

And yes, that involves teaming up with unsavoury characters at times

It involves with dealing with the messy transition to socialism (which is not a pure ideal that can be implemented simply because "I wanna")

And most importantly, it involves using violence to defend revolutionary gains.

I would much rather we win the climate wars rather than die to roving bands of fascists militants/states looking to hunt minorities.

We're such a threat to these Vaushite radlib clowns when we have no influence or power in the West, while fascists are actively winning elections everywhere. Shows you how deeply unserious they are about their "leftism".

Here it is again:

Time to reset the "Days since the stethoscope got posted" counter.

I wish we had as much influence as blue MAGA think we do.

Putting the fed in fediverse.

A highlight if the brainrot 👇 :

Ha yes! The "tankie" are the ones blaming individuals instead of the system, everyone knows that. It's so funny how other instances are just making shit up about us. I guess they must have run out of things we actually said that they can misinterpret and fearmonger about so now they have to manufacture artificial ones.

"Liberal communism". Nothing to add there, really.

You see this kids? This is how you'll end up if you don't read theory.

@flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com Why are you like this?

Tankies aren't anywhere near the levers of power fascists are. You'd think a mfer could keep their eyes on the prize but- well here we are.

I have depicted you as the Nazi and myself as the cool punk chick. Checkmate tankies

These people are effectively liberals.

russian organised genocide during soviet union where they kept doing what hitler tried.

@endeavor@sopuli.xyz what the fuck are they even talking about?

btw. It's funny how the "anti-authoritarians" are the ones censoring us, meanwhile we literally have anarchists here.

Those comments read like redditors but somehow even worse.

They'd be happy if they were second in line to the gas chambers so long as one of us was in front of them.

lmao holy shit that instance is a rancid pile of anti-communist diarrhea

Literally a bunch of white liberals daydreaming about supposed "communist atrocities" and calling anyone who disagrees with their fantasy worldbuilding a fascist, not surprising that instance attracts so many bigots and Blue-Maga genocide lovers

Famous Skrewdriver enjoyers, tankies