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Donald Trump seeks near-total control over Ukraine’s critical minerals, energy assets, and infrastructure in a new draft deal, significantly expanding his previous demands.

The proposal, sent to Kyiv, includes no security guarantees for Ukraine, sparking concerns about sovereignty and dependence on the US.

Energy law experts called the terms unprecedented, noting the US could withdraw without obligation. Trump also suggested US control of Ukraine’s nuclear plants.

Critics warn Russia may exploit Trump’s urgency for a quick deal, complicating peace efforts and post-war stability.

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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Trump doesn’t even have total control over his bowels.

[–] Civil_Liberty@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

Who is kidding who? Ukraine could agree and Trump would just give it all to Putin. The guy is not an honest broker, I wish the media would stop treating him as one.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

This is some Darth Vader shit right here, "Pray I don't alter the deal further."

[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ukraine should declare that they're withdrawing from the Lisbon Protocol, and will start working towards creation/procurement of nuclear weapons. Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Belaruse agreed to give up their nuclear weapons, in exchange for guarantees on their border security, secured by the US and Russia. Since Russia has reneged, and the US appears to be doing the same, maybe Ukraine could bolster the "cards in their hand" by looking towards rearming. While I hate the idea of another nuclear power, Ukraine was the #3 nuclear power, between separation from the USSR and the 1992 Lisbon Protocol. Maybe their next strategic move should be to fail, like the US and Russia have.

I understand Russian concerns - Gorbachev was told, when the Berlin Wall came down, that NATO would not expand towards the Russian Border. That promise was not ratified by NATO, but was a part of the decision making process, as it was a Russian concern. NATO has expanded 12 times since then, towards the Russian Border. As mad as they might be, the answer is not to simply take back lands they gave up.

The same goes for the US. A few decades passing by, is no excuse to simply decide to not honor obligations previously entered into.

But, if everybody is just changing their minds, and simply "doing whatever we want" is on the table, I'm sure, since Ukraine supplied much of the Cold War hardware and expertise to the USSR, that manufacturing and knowledge base is still there, at least to some degree.

They probably wouldn't have to do it....mentioning the interest as a strategic consideration could be the kick in the ass needed, to help the Lisbon Protocol participants to remember their roles in the guarantees made, on the condition of giving up those nukes.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

NATO did not expand. in geopolitics, expanding means invading like russia using guns and bombs, expanding into ukraine.

NATO just accepts more members through pen and paper it is based on membership.

[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 1 points 1 day ago

Well, Russia didn't want NATO members, and what can come with NATO membership at their borders, much like how we didn't want Soviet missiles in Cuba, in 1962. They certainly viewed their former Soviet states and bloc countries joining NATO, as an expansion of NATO.

Regardless of what looked like who, and who thought what, Russia invaded Ukraine, and they shouldn't have.

[–] shan23@lemmy.world 111 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I feel like it’s quite obvious to everyone that the us is just going to demand more and more until Ukraine says no. Then the US will claim Ukraine doesn’t want peace

[–] tmyakal@lemm.ee 38 points 3 days ago

Isn't that exactly what happened, like, three weeks ago?

[–] ravior@lemmy.world 126 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's kinda sad to see the direction the USA it's going these days. The goodwill towards the States degraded so much in the last few months in my community.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think the world was ready to forgive the first transgression back in 2016. But he's only been in power for 2 fucking month. He's nose diving the country, and no one trusts the us anymore.

[–] Trihilis@ani.social 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As someone from the EU. I think the US is truly fucked. Every single government organ is focusing on removing any USA dependency going from big tech to parts and resources etc. And we're not the only country doing it. The military has already decided to buy 0 new USA equipment.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Republicans don't understand "soft power" in any way. They think you guys are "freeloading" off of us without any understanding that you're our best customers.

The US will never come back from this.

[–] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They don't care. That soft power means nothing when Putin is pumping thousands, if not millions, into their pockets. They're looting this country. This is just also aligns with Putin plans to cripple the US.

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Republicans don’t understand “soft power” in any way.

They have plenty experience with "soft power" in their bedrooms, hence the compensation.

It’s wild that we have the reserve currency of the world which is soo fucking huge. Bigger than anything else I reckon. And these assholes are just going to throw that free money away.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 25 points 3 days ago

I wish these guys would realize that while powerful, the US cannot just exist in a vacuum. We all share this planet and limitless greed is not gonna get you anywhere. I really hope the US product / services boycotts are gonna have an impact.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 17 points 3 days ago

I considered Bush II to be the "first transgression" already. There are some further back too, of course, you can go back to the Gulf of Tonkin or even the USS Maine, but the Iraq invasion was the first where all the contradicting evidence was already fully available to the public if they cared to go look at it. Those "misadventures" in the Middle East and Afghanistan were where the first pebbles of this current avalanche of American collapse really started to move, IMO.

What we're seeing now is just the point of no return, where nobody's trying to stop the slide any more.

[–] KnowledgeableNip@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A century of diplomatic strategy is being unravelled in a matter of months.

[–] Palerider@feddit.uk -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A century of diplomatic ~~strategy~~ bullying is being unravelled in a matter of months.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

And what do you think diplomatic strategy actually is?

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

We're at 2 months 1 week.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 54 points 3 days ago

I work in business and I don’t spend long at the table with these kinds of people. They’ll keep hammering unless you push back, and it’s not worth my time… in fact you generally find whatever they brought to the table they’re screwing someone else out of who can’t say no. Always better to move on and find someone else to work with. Always.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 67 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I hope at this point Zelenskyy realizes that any deal with the US will be bad and is just stringing Trump along to buy time.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 38 points 3 days ago

a deal with trump has just as many guarantees as a deal with putin: none

[–] ganbramor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The Art of the Con

[–] sfcl33t@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 days ago

I think that has to be the game he and EU leaders are playing at this point. Delay as much as possible so Europe can build up its own defenses and assistant to Ukraine. Unfortunately without boots on the ground that won't work as a deterrent.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yes. He may just be the face of a long coming hostile government take over but fuck him anyway.

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is just the Republican/libertarian fantasy. So many people I worked with at the time thought we should have taken all the Iraqi oil after we invaded.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s just the evolution of what was colonialism, and before that, feudalism. These people want to be kings of territory, with ownership of all resources, charging people a tax for harvesting resources on their property and paying them a pittance to survive and do so. It’s the direct path into hyper-capitalism, of “everyone not in a very exclusive club rents their life and everything in it, in order for the wealthy to gain more wealth.”

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Same story it's been since we started cities. There's an elite class that believes the rest of us need to work so they don't have to.

Lazy selfish priests, lazy selfish kings, lazy selfish politicians.

Maybe we should stop letting the lazy selfish rich make decisions for the rest of us.

[–] vegeta@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I’m alternating the deal. Pray I don’t alternate it any further.

— Darth Plagueonus The Stable Genius

[–] mhague@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

Trump: I'm negotiating a ceasefire in the Black Sea.

Putin: I'm going to continue bombing Ukraine.

Trump: I want infinity resources or the bombing continues.

Just two Russians trying to get on the same page.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 25 points 3 days ago

Fuckin' toddler.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well this is certainly applying the M&A playbook to geopolitics. Eat the meek when they’re down. It’s just good business.

Reminds me of his “we must take the oil” strategy to Iraq a few years back.

Problem is that countries aren’t businesses, they’re people, and alliances aren't just built on finance - they’re built on trust, stability and shared cultural values.

And optics matter, even in business, you can get a reputation as a cannibal and people will no longer work for or with you. Relationships are like oxygen for business. If you don’t have them, it’s you next on the chopping block.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 16 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I think that's a lesson a certain orange parasite never learned.

Maybe that's part of the reason why his businesses failed?

[–] Dropper_Post@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago

It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 10 points 3 days ago

He never had any intent to actually help Ukraine, he's way too fond of Putin to do that.

[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Counter-offer a small plot of land, in a minefield, on the ukrainian-russian border, currently under russian occupation. Trump can grow carrots there. But only of he can clear out the occupiers first.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

why not on russia occupied ukraine territories like crimea ?

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago

Only one problem: those aren't his to take. They belong rightfully to the Ukrainians.

This won't stop him from the bluster he spurts on a daily basis.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not sure who is worse, Russia or the U.S.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

At this point, I actually think its the US. Russia is affecting a few million peoples lives in a major way with their war, but the US is about to destroy hundreds of million lives in their own country.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago

Depends where you live, who you are

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 4 points 3 days ago

So that means cheaper batteries and no tariffs right? …..right?

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand this. It's really unlikely Ukraine has so many mineral resources and even if they do, the investments needed to extract them would be huge. Wouldn't the investments alone and manpower needed be worth it for Ukraine. It's not really likely that Ukraine will be able to finance this extraction themselves?

All this assumptions rely on how I understand this deal to be structured, but I really don't know how this works.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The resources were never the point. The point is to make Ukraine refuse a "ceasefire deal" and then point at them and tell everyone they "don't want peace". It's blatantly obvious.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

At first I thought this tactic with this deal would be fantastic. The US could make this deal and bring in companies and have forces there to defend the investment. It would be a really strong showing, not only to Russia but also domestic audience, but not directly.

Too bad its just a dumbass Trump tactic.

If i remember right we were on our way to that with oil before russia took Crimea