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[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 117 points 10 months ago (4 children)

When the city government wants to install anti-homeless benches, but doesn’t want the backlash from installing anti-homeless benches.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It is a lot better than other places but not literally 0.

Per this report, as of 2021 they had 4396 homeless people. A rate of 0.79 per thousand people in Finland.

Which to be clear is stellar.. but doesn't have much to do with the topic of anti homeless architecture.

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There will always be homeless people, the ones we have are either crashing or simply do not want to live inside (due to a multitude of reasons involving decades of living in the streets with substance abuse and mental issues). The only folk you'll find here sleeping on benches are aforementioned and students who have had one too many. Plenty of benches for both and even if all benches are turned into chairs we've got intoxication centres and housing available for those who prefer it.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

oH mY gOd ThAt'S dIsGuStInG sOcIaLlIsTiC cOmMuNiSm!!1!

[–] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Just for anyone who's unaware; it's social democracy, not communism. It is possible to have a wide public safety net without resorting to communism, which is inherently genocidal.

[–] db2@sopuli.xyz 24 points 10 months ago

This is probably the least dickish way to go about it.

[–] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

I think your instant assumption about it being done for evil says more about the country you live than it does about Finland, because homelessness doesn't seem to be a big issue in Finland. That's ~5k homeless people in a country with ~5 million people, that's ~0.1% of the population being homeless.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The US is roughly the same percentage and it was definitely a comment from a US political frame. In the US they are simply more visible as they congregate in cities.

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[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

0.1% is big. I want to see 0%.

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[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We don't have homeless people on finland. Or we do but quite minimally, the numbers are in couple thousand if I recall right

[–] crypticthree@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's around 4,400. It bears mentioning that the population of Finland is only around 4.5 million. The Dallas Fort Worth Metro area has a population of about 6.5 million and a homeless population of around 4,500

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[–] ClaireDeLuna@lemmy.world 114 points 10 months ago

One person benches

Chair. That's a chair

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 55 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is there a hostile architecture community here?

[–] Duranie@midwest.social 53 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In this case Finland actually takes care of their people and homelessness isn't a problem there. They're just really polite introverts who I might guess prefer sitting alone as opposed to on a bench close to others.

Source - my introverted niece met a Fin, fell in love, moved to Finland and is in absolute heaven. Her husband has visited the States a few times and is always overwhelmed with the casual social interactions with strangers in public.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Finn here, we still have a ton of those stupid benches with a railing in the middle.

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[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Holy shit, can someone please get me to Finland?

[–] keefshape@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

I was born to the wrong culture, said in Canadian.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"one person benches" you mean chairs?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago

It's clearly a one person bus without wheels

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 28 points 10 months ago

Those are chairs

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We have single person benches in my city not because people don't want to sit next to each other, but so homeless people can't sleep on them.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
[–] ChillDude69@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 10 months ago

That's what I thought. IMHO, hostile architecture is the physical-world equivalent of a lot of the policies that led us to flee Reddit, Twitter, etc.

[–] Pluckerpluck@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

My first thought. You could put up three 2 person benches there without too much trouble. It'd still look fine with spaces between so people can sit alone.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can see the appeal of this in some ways, but I hope there are also two-person benches in the same area because when I'm, for example, out with my daughter and we both want to sit down for a minute, it's nice not to have to yell to talk to each other.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Or spread your arms if you are alone

[–] 768@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Apparently they're being made by Sineu Graff from Denmark and this is somewhere in Helsinki, but I heard that those aren't too common in Finland, so hold your horses, you isolationists ;)

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

Probably a shit-ton if the seats on the plane are spaced out the same way

[–] SnuggleSnail@ani.social 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is intolerant against fat people! It is super uncomfortable when one butt cheek slaps over on each side!

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Thanks I came 👍

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 14 points 10 months ago

That one person who still comes up to you and asks if they can sit next to you

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Coffin full of hot rocks

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Why does this make me sad? I ironically do actually prefer seating alone but something about this doesn’t feel right

[–] TiKa444@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe you prefer to block a second seat, when you sit on a two person bank. ^^

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I actually think that it has more to do with the fact that i prefer to sit alone but i don’t straight up want to make sure that i don’t speak to any stranger ever again

But then again i don’t like too much socializing, ig my brain just doesn’t know what it wants

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[–] pipes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

where put bag tho?

[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not getting sunlight for months in a row tends to make people depressed.

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[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sometimes it's really better to have your own bench.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

About €180 from AMS to HEL

[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

but would you have to sit next to someone on the plane

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[–] TiKa444@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps they are afraid of sitting next to someone from Sweden who eats Surströming.

[–] ChillDude69@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 10 months ago

Gotta back off further than that, yo.

[–] virock@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I live alone and work from home so I'm happy :)

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