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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 95 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because it's on purpose. Education has a profound effect on voting. Higher education has a massive effect on voting.

When sabotaging schools brings you votes...

[–] jopepa@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t disagree that red states cutting education funding is intended to do just that, but I think this trend is a reflection of the 2020 lockdowns stunting a year of development and kids getting hooked on social media in general since it’s all across the world. Scary stats regardless, though.

Anecdotal hope: All of my friends with kids read to them nightly, even when both parents are working. My three year old nephew’s obsessed with books.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a teacher (not a reading teacher, not being defensive), I feel like this is the right track more than anything going on in education.

Not only is it a kids wanting their immediate gratification from social media, but parents are all addicted as well. And being stressed and all dystopiad-out. When I was a kid, I could go home and stop worrying about what was going on in the social spheres, but there is no escape anymore.

There seems to be a trend of parents spending way less time reading to their kids and needinh more alone time, and the kids aren't demanding it as much because they are getting attention from devices.

The absolute best readers I get had parents reading to them, with them, and encouraging reading in early years to foster an interest for later.

[–] jopepa@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

You have every right to feel defensive, parents, school districts, and politicians will throw you under the bus with these issues at the drop of a test score. Otherwise, same book same page. It’ll be a huge win for society when these cortisol/dopamine shufflers in our pockets get restricted for young people.

Thanks for all the sacrifices you’ve made to be a teacher. You’re awesome, and hundreds of kids will remember your effort.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be so sure it's intentional,

What you said is true but what's also true is that millennials are so crushed under grind culture and financial burdens that they don't have the time to parent that used to be the norm, so where overworked boomers let the TV raise their kids, parents today are letting the iPad do it, which is turning out to be exponentially worse for development.

[–] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Because a kid will eventually get bored of the TV and want to hang out with a friend or play with their parents. But a tablet can provide all the stimulation and pseudo-social contact you could possibly want and you can sit there for days on one.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It’s fucking terrifying. Imagine high schoolers struggling with writing their own name. The schools I worked with had very few “book kids” - maybe some read manga (any reading is great!)

School districts have cracked down on teacher autonomy and often force them to use poorly supported curriculum and instructional strategies. With reading, it’s been a movement away from phonics towards guess what words mean based on context clues. Teaching effectively takes time and small class sizes, which there is no money for, so the solution is buying a $500k+ program of scripted curriculum for teacher to read in front of their class of 35. Students aren’t allowed to be held back or failed, so they’ll keep getting promoted whether they can add single digit numbers or not - and there’s no indication to anyone that anything is wrong. When standardized test scores come back and it didn’t work, it’s because the teachers didn’t implement it with fidelity, and in a couple years there’ll be a new program that promises to fix everything.

And if you think illiteracy and innumeracy are scary, wait till you hear them talk about history and science…

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm curious, I often see it discussed now that slang and alternative interpretation must be accepted. In general, this is true, as languages change over time naturally.

But based on what you say, it seems like all pretense of language "standards" are deprioritized or discarded...

Am I off base?

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine it is Friday night, and you are sitting down to grade a class of high school freshman’s essays. About half of them are less than two paragraphs long. Maybe a quarter of them are consistently capitalizing the first letter of a sentence. When you do see what resembles a normal English sentence, it is clearly AI generated or copied straight from the first google search result for the assigned essay topic. Lots of Wikipedia, with obvious artifacts [3]. Also, you have 100 of them to grade.

Seeing correctly spelled slang is a breath of fresh air.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To expand what I mean:

Not just slang, but chosing to ignore (or not being aware of) grammar rules. Is it possible some are being discarded due to more purposeful disregard? Like, "no one cares to write that way any more"

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It’s fucking terrifying. Imagine high schoolers struggling with writing their own name.

This made me skip everything that came after. Even illiterate kids can probably memorize their names, even if they can't sound out words. Back up your claim and I'll reconsider.

Elsewhere, in this thread, you'll see me champion reading and learning. I'm horribly saddened that kids don't learn to read well. But this statement seems hyperbolic.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
[–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because the meme won't load

[–] gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Something with lemmy.zip? I also have problems loading images from that instance.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It's all part of the cabal!

[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And just how do you expect us to do so? Write about it? Read others written thoughts?

[–] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd tell you, but you couldn't read this anyway.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago

My auto correct wrote this

[–] lugal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

IT SAYS THAT AMERICAN KIDS CAN'T READ NOR WRITE

[–] g8phcon2@k.fe.derate.me 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not just America. I heard on Public Radio that practically every country in the world has scored worse on reading tests since 2020. I think Japan was the one excpetion.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Of fucking course the country with the most convoluted writing system ever devised by men is the one that's able to maintain literacy scores lol

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

It's not at all that complicated. I'll take kanji strokes over spelling any day. (I passed ikyuu a decade ago.)

[–] Karcinogen@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A large part of these developmental delays are due to the social isolation from the Covid shutdown. Many children missed out of vital childhood experiences. Literacy isn't the only thing they're behind in. Their social skills are emaciated. They don't know how to interact with people because they were deprived of the opportunity.

[–] Rageagainstbelief@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

There is an effect there but this has been a problem before COVID. Anecdotal but a teacher friend has been complaining about this for years. I know all parents don’t have the time but we read a ton to our kids and helped them learn to read when they were just getting started.

[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's some of it, but there are high school kids who come in to my office and literally write like 5 year olds. I mean holding the pen like little kids do, handwriting that's a dead ringer for my kindergarten work books, all of it. Those kids were struggling way before COVID.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In their defense, in the modern workforce there is little need for handwriting so there’s little need to teach it. You need to sign your name occasionally but other than that, handwriting is rare due to prevalence of typing.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

This is true in office work but less automated professions may be closer to 50/50 still. It is true though that non-office work environments are also less likely to care about writing than reading comprehension though.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

My read on things is that a lot of kids are also lacking in basic computer skills like typing, since their main device is a smartphone.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Personally, I did a high school senior project on the absolute state of public education over 10 years ago. I don't think my conservative, Ayn Rand-pushing English teacher even read my paper because she gave it a solid B.

(The same year I had forced an AP teacher to change his rubric because they wanted to flunk me and I met a condition that they thought we were too dumb to meet.)

[–] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago

It's not just kids. I know lots of adults that when they read out loud it is like hearing a 3rd grader read out loud with all of the pauses and mispronunciations.

[–] XEAL@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

LOL, very fitting meme template

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

This baffles me. Like we blame social media but like don't you have to read the UI comments and titles. Especially when you are using a phone in general. Like init being illiterate kinda like having your phone set to a language you don't understand.

[–] match@pawb.social 4 points 2 years ago

the US intentionally withdrew from the UN literacy standards agency years ago

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Republicans: Let them fight.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago

I used to listen to the Educate podcast. They would often talk about the science of teaching kids how to read. There were a lot of heartbreaking and infuriating moments when they spotlighted kids who the system had failed or adults who refused to revise bad methodology. It’s pretty evergreen material if anyone wanted to go check it out. Seems like it got sunsetted prior to the pan.