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submitted 4 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

The Supreme Court justice is back to complaining about LGBTQ people in a recent opinion from the court.

Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito is complaining that people who oppose homosexuality were being unfairly branded as bigots, despite that being a dictionary definition of bigotry.

The Supreme Court on Tuesday declined to hear a case about whether it is legal to exclude potential jurors based on their religion. The case stemmed from a lawsuit filed by Jean Finney, who is lesbian, against her longtime employer, the Missouri Department of Corrections, for workplace discrimination and retaliation due to her sexuality. During jury selection for the trial, which Finney won, her lawyer asked the judge to remove three jurors who had expressed beliefs that homosexuality is a sin. Finney’s lawyer argued their religious beliefs would bias them against LGBTQ people.

The state of Missouri appealed the decision, arguing that the jury selection process had been discriminatory on religious grounds. An appeals court sided with Finney, ruling the jurors had been eliminated due to their beliefs about homosexuality, not because they were Christians. Missouri appealed that decision to the Supreme Court, which declined Tuesday to hear the case.

In a statement, Alito said he agreed with the decision not to hear the lawsuit, but warned he felt the case was a harbinger of greater danger.

The appeals court ruling “exemplifies the danger that I anticipated in Obergefell v. Hodges,” Alitio wrote, referring to the landmark 2015 Supreme Court ruling that legalized marriage equality.

“Namely, that Americans who do not hide their adherence to traditional religious beliefs about homosexual conduct will be ‘labeled as bigots and treated as such’ by the government,” he said. “The opinion of the Court in that case made it clear that the decision should not be used in that way, but I am afraid this admonition is not being heeded by our society.”

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[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 121 points 4 months ago

Somehow I doubt Alito would have any qualms about striking atheist jurors from a case involving a Christian pastor.

[-] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 89 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Hey, Justice dumbass:

Change "homosexual" to "Catholic," and I bet you can see the problem really fuckin' quickly.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 77 points 4 months ago

Or "Italian."

Not very long ago, there wouldn't be a Supreme Court justice with the surname 'Alito.'

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[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago

Sure but he obviously doesn't care. There's no attempt to be even handed here, he just wants to hurt LGBT people however he can.

[-] LocoOhNo@lemmus.org 23 points 4 months ago

I like the Christian mental gymnastics where someone in drag is a massive social issue, but they give 10% of their paychecks to men that wear a dress on stage that have actually been molesting kids for 2000 years.

[-] III@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Yes but they changed the bible. They removed pedophile rape as a sin and put homosexuality in its place. So child rape is okay now. Checkmate atheists.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 8 points 4 months ago

Or just read the new testament…

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 61 points 4 months ago

You know, I will give the total douches that marched in Charlottesville one thing- they didn't even try to hide who they were. They marched without masks, yelling racist and bigoted things and didn't expect anyone to consider them anything other than racists and bigots.

And then on the other side you have Alito and so many other bigot Republicans who are happy to be bigots but indignant that they get labeled bigots.

Own your bigotry you cowards.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago

The thing is, he's also totally incorrect. They aren't labeled as bigots because they're Christian. They're labeled as bigots because they're homophobic. There's Christians who have no issue at all with gay people. You can't say deeply religious people are being labeled as bigots when there's also deeply religious people who have no issue with it.

I'd love for Alito to argue "okay but if they don't hate gays they aren't real Christians" because it opens a can of worms I'd love to finally open. If someone doesn't count as religious because they aren't a real Christian, a whole lot of religious exceptions disappear.

[-] TurtleJoe@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

You're right, but he doesn't care about any of that. He doesn't care that some christians are cool with gay people and others aren't. He thinks that all christians have a constitutionally protected right to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people, and that any governmental action that prevents that discrimination is infringing on a christian's religious freedom.

This is, of course, based on his personal feelings as a Catholic fundamentalist. I wonder if he'd extend the same religious freedoms to somebody who believes their God wants them to discriminate against old white men

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 47 points 4 months ago

The case was not about gay marriage, it was discrimination of a protected class. The court said it's fair to dismiss jurors who believe the identity of the protected class is a bad thing. Like dismissing misogynists from a sex discrimination case. Even if they came to their misogyny via religion, it gives them a bias in this case.

Being dismissed for bias doesn't mean they are bad people, either. The defendant's brother couldn't be on the jury because of bias, that doesn't make him a bad person.

Luckily this nonsense is the minority view on the court even in a 6-3 world, since his was a minority dissent.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Being dismissed for bias doesn't mean they are bad people, either.

In general, I agree it doesn't. But in this case, it does.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Correlation doesn’t imply causation. Both statements that they were dismissed for bias and that they’re bad people are true, but only because they’re linked to the separate true statement of the fact that they’re bigots

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago

I've lost count of how many reasons there are that show Alito shouldn't be a judge of any sort but this another example.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 42 points 4 months ago

Man, if he's bothered by being called a bigot, he's gonna really hate it when he finds out what else people call him.

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The sooner his evil heart gives out, the better.

“Namely, that Americans who do not hide their adherence to traditional religious beliefs about homosexual conduct will be ‘labeled as bigots and treated as such’ by the government,” he said. “The opinion of the Court in that case made it clear that the decision should not be used in that way, but I am afraid this admonition is not being heeded by our society.”

You are fucking bigots, full stop. Religion ruins everything.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm not heeding fucking shit from an asshole who defends bigotry. If society doesn't like the tenets of his religion, the problem isn't society, it's his religion.

[-] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago

I feel like his comment is just setting the stage for overturning Obergefell v. Hodges. We already know that they want it overturned so this is just groundwork for the day when that happens.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I think there's already a federal law enshrining gay marriage, so we're fortunate there at least.

It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to say that law was unconstitutional, but the backlash from doing so would make the backlash from abortion look like a wave in a kiddie pool.

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[-] gloss@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 4 months ago

Calling us bigots while we engage in textbook bigotry is the real bigotry.

[-] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Bigots like Alito shouldn't be managing a McDonald's, let alone have a seat on the supreme court. When will this "I think my religion says I should be a bigot so I have a constitutionally protected right to trample over everyone else's rights" nonsense stop?

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Bigots like Alito would get fired from managing a McDonalds really quickly when it turns out he had a bunch of bigoted hiring and management practices. Which he would.

The minute corporate noticed all of his employees were always white men, he'd be out on his ass.

Because corporate America knows that bigotry (on the non-executive level) is not good for their bottom line. It's not even about empathy. They just know bigots lose them money.

[-] TipRing@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

Dear Sam,

If you believe some people should be treated as less than human, without the rights afforded to all people in this country, you are a bigot. Religion does not justify bigotry.

Please step on something pointy.

Warm regards, Tip

[-] ZooGuru@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Man, what a whiney little bigoty bitch

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Alito has always been the worst justice. He's evil and not lazy like Thomas and Bart.

Here he goes full mask off and basically says "bigots should be able to hide behind Christianity"

Anyone who believes in the same morals as Jesus should be ashamed and angered by this man calling himself Christ like in any way.

"Christian" just means you think Jesus was the Messiah. It does no lt mean the person agrees with him!

This is an incredibly important distinction.

[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 17 points 4 months ago

Didn’t Sam get the news? It’s 2024, we’ve moved on as a society.

We’re horrible to trans people now instead.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

You could tell back in 2022 that Trollito was one very angry man.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

He's always been that way but for some reason he's started to speak openly about it. This is not normal for a SCOTUS justice, they usually keep their opinions to themselves.

[-] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

He is part of an unbreakable majority and he knows it. He doesn't care about keeping up appearances because there is literally zero incentive to care.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Unbreakable is disputed by 40,000 different christian belief systems in the U.S. alone. Throw in that not all christians are homophobic and that shrinks.

Ask him if a christian saying all catholics go to hell, and if that person would be considered an unbias jury member trying a catholic and we might get a different answer.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Yep. In true conservative fashion it doesn't hurt until it hurts THEM.

[-] gloss@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 months ago

After Scalia died he wanted to cast off the "Scalito" moniker and decided to be more visible. Only problem is that he's just a natural born asshole. Plus conservatives have a super majority on the court and are basically untouchable and that inevitably leads to arrogance.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

He definitely has that "I'm rich and entitled but it's not enough so I'm going to be a dick" energy.

[-] cmoney@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

It's a shame abortion wasn't legal when Samuel Altio's mom was pregnant.

[-] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago
[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

The TST are a national treasure.

[-] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The Satanic Temple's Religious Abortion Ritual

holy hell! those people are a riot!! 😂

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[-] Nougat@kbin.social 15 points 4 months ago

The state of Missouri appealed the decision, arguing that the jury selection process had been discriminatory on religious grounds. An appeals court sided with Finney, ruling the jurors had been eliminated due to their beliefs about homosexuality, not because they were Christians. Missouri appealed that decision to the Supreme Court, which declined Tuesday to hear the case.

Constitutional rights, as Alito must surely know, come into conflict all the time, and it is the courts' responsibility to balance one right against another.

Yes, you have a right to your religion and its beliefs, but that right must yield when it infringes on other people's rights. None of this amounts to the courts "labeling someone as a bigot and treating them as such." I can label those people as bigots and treat them as such, because I am not a judge, and "bigot" is not a protected class.

c/SCOTUSJusticesWithPunchableFaces

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Why am I called a bigot just cause I'm a bigot?! The appropriate term is 'Christian!'"

Christians are terrorists based on a faith that wouldn't have survived to this day without extensive "convert or die" campaigns combined with claiming every fucking tradition they came across as their own.

90s black metal had the right idea, if they get to discriminate we get to burn. Thems the rules.

[-] ferralcat@monyet.cc 12 points 4 months ago

That last paragraph is hellarious. "I'm just shocked that society isn't heeding my admonition" Is so much a supreme court justice with his head up his own ass. And to top it off his "admonition" is "please don't be mean to these people just because they want to be mean to other people".

[-] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Where is Jury Duty a guaranteed right, Sammy?

[-] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

More squawking from the illegitimate court.

[-] Buelldozer 3 points 4 months ago

The Court as a whole did fine on this one, it's Justice Alito being a bigoted old wanker.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They really didn't do fine, though. The correct move was to decline to hear it (which they did) and then not express support for bigots.

Alito's vocal support of bigotry here was intended to encourage bigots to challenge Obergefell v. Hodges. He's making it clear that he would like to overturn it.

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

there's a push lately to equate being christian with being a violent right-wing bigot by violent right-wing bigots who want to paint any opposition to their bigotry and violence as some sort of movement against christianity. But the thing is, I'm against violent, bigoted Muslims too. And violent, bigoted Atheists. And violent, bigoted Jews. I haven't met any violent, bigoted Jains but there's no river long enough that doesn't have a bend in it and if I ever met a violent, bigoted Jain I'd be against them too. Bigotry isn't necessary to Christianity and Christianity isn't necessary to bigotry. The question to these jurors was "Can you apply the law as-written to this case" and several people said "My religious beliefs prevent me from applying the law equally to homosexuals, who I believe are an underclass that needs to be punished."

Bet if it was a cop on trial they'd have no problem kicking someone off the jury for their ACAB tattoo, or if they were Mennonites who believe that violence is wrong in all cases.

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