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Took me a bit and I am a little drunk but here are the totals. We had a good showing.

Note: some comments got cut out because the server doesn't like displaying more than 300 from what I can tell. I did my best with what it would show, I just sorted them by new. This should be fairly representative of the currently active userbase. As an aside, I believe we did a similar survey a looong time ago, and we had only 33% of the active userbase as trans.


Random thoughts:

A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably. This isn't Harry Potter and I'm not a hat so I just went with what they were sounding more convinced of.

A lot of people are even cuter and don't understand how to follow instructions, though some of this is my fault. Made this a little harder to organize.

Some people were not cis and did not identify with the words 'transgender' or 'gender diverse'. If I ever do a trans/adjacent survey again, I think I will ask 'Are you cis?'

I may do a survey for queer people overall eventually, and the question will be 'Are you cishet?'

I would love to do more scientific, inclusive polling and have better and more questions and options, but we need some good secure polling tech for that, which we don't have. So I just have to ask simple questions and get a handful of answers.

Next time I will look into how feasible it is to post a couple of comments and get responders to upvote certain ones. This might fix the issue of the display of comments being limited.

Since some people have two sets of pronouns, both of their pronouns are included separately.

Since the poll was public, some marginalized groups probably shied away from answering. If we ever get a secure way to poll people, we would get more realistic estimates of the trans and cis women userbase.


#Tallies

Yes: 121 
No: 137
Maybe: 37 
Total: 295

If you think something is fucked, you can do it yourself, the thread is public. Hope you like pie! shrug-outta-hecks

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[-] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 64 points 2 months ago

Shout out to the cisgender they/thems

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago

amab: assigned mysterious at birth

[-] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably.

UwU I just don't know... I'm totally cis but if someone were to tell me otherwise I guess I could go along with it... crush

Oh no, I hope they don't pick some cute gender for me shy

A-are they gonna make me change my pronouns on the bear site? That would be so...! ralsei-blush

[-] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

Alright ya just signed up to be ‘force’ femmed trans-ferret

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[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 59 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think there being only one cis woman on the site comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information because men on the internet would inevitably be strange about it.

That said, there's probably only 5-10 more in hiding (if that, even).

It would be interesting to see other instances demographic surveys - have they ever done any?

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 41 points 2 months ago

How dare you suggest men on the Internet would not be extremely and incredibly normal grillman

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[-] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 41 points 2 months ago

I think this is entirely true, if pretty sad. Cisgender women I have been in online gaming communities with nearly always end up harassed at some point.

This is true for trans women too, but for different reasons.

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[-] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago
[-] solitaire@infosec.pub 55 points 2 months ago

This is the weird reality of the internet. I've met far, far more trans men in real life than trans women but online it's the complete opposite. I have no idea why.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 67 points 2 months ago

Big ups to trans men for being a lot less terminally online, lol

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

that's not the case for most of the ones i know at alllll 🙃

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

Ah they just tend to use tumblr instead?

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago

we stay inside where the handholding is at

[-] imikoy@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

According to the stereotype, trans men are grilling.

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've personally met more trans women IRL than trans men — but regarding your experience, I also feel like trans women are probably more likely to be closeted than trans men.

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[-] booty@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure there are like 4 total AFAB people on this site

[-] Moss@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago

Wow this site is overwhelmingly AMAB. I knew AMAB people were the majority but I didn't expect it to be that much of a difference.

I guess that's because the site originated from a Reddit community. Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago

Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?

Conèche, we need diversity of perspective.

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[-] Cromalin@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

remember when those lemmy nerds were saying we were all faking being a trans inclusive space?

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They'll probably pull the "look, there can't be that many, so that proves they're lying" bullshit.

You can't win with liberal transphobes

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

They probably going to use the small number of cis women as an excuse to say some TERF shit. burgerpants-dejected

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[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

Shoutout to the token cis woman hiding ඞamong usඞ, whoever she is

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[-] theother2020@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

No. Cis woman here if you’re still collecting.

[-] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago
[-] Poogona@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

Got so much respect for the trans posters here, the depression I had growing up stemming from a comparatively light amount of alienation and isolation from my peers took an incredible amount of effort to climb out of, so it seems like an almost supernatural feat to me to be openly trans in these times.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[-] Poogona@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

gender ~~spectrum~~ spectre

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

While I get I can't read gender by just asking "Are you trans?" and "Pronouns?", did we not find a single cis woman on this website?

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

This is an opt-in poll and lots of cis women probably opted not to self-identify, as someone else pointed out

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago

We likely would see different results in an anonymous poll as well as with a poll that included lurkers

[-] PoisonIvy@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I am not cis but even a couple of years ago I would have opted not to self-identify. I imagine this is very common with cis women, too. The only reason I did now was because from my perspective we are beyond any amount of opsec saving me from potential bad actors interested on that front, so I might as well be forthright about it.

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[-] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 months ago

You see that tiny dark blue sliver, i think that’s the cis woman pop on the instance

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[-] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks for doing this, it's very interesting.

We have comparatively few transmen it seems. 3% of the"yes vote" use he/him pronouns, in comparison, 42.4% use she/her.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is driven primarily by the source of the userbase here being reddit exiles. We have a low number of transmen because reddit has a low number of transmen.

I think also to a lesser extent transmen are often less radicalised than transwomen due to the focus of right wing attacks being far larger(quantity) against the latter.

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[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

WE FUCKING DID IT sicko-hyper Even though the dataset & stuff is janky, very good results, not entirely surprising.

The amount of gender confusion/questioning in that thread was very cute. Perhaps bugging cis people about their identity more would be productive?

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

HARDEN YOUR HEART O QIN HUANGDI

INCREASE YOUR ATTACKS SO CRUEL

SEND THEM ALL TO LIVE WITH ME

IN AN ENBY SAPPHIC POLYCULE

[CROWD GOES WILD]

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[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago
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[-] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

How do we have so few cis women? Is there even a single one?

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 51 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

yeah, theres probably somewhere around 5-15 (and maybe very optimistically, 40-50 per week) daily active cis women based on the numbers here. def an issue that needs to be fixed, along with finding some transmascs. But this is also a public poll and a good number of people are less likely to answer things publicly, so the actual rates are somewhat skewed

to be frank i wouldnt be surprised if we had almost all the cis women on lemmy here, lol. a lot of the other instances do their damndest to run them off (re: even with alleged anti-misogyny rules, they get harassed a ton). i think we need to find a posting vanguard of cis women and trans mascs that lead the charge like how we've done with transfems. over time, by focusing on pronoun tech and building trans specific areas of the site, the trans pop has skyrocketed. just gotta find good ways to flesh that out for other groups. i recall @Othello@hexbear.net i think suggesting identifier emojis for poc people, and i figure just finding some trans mascs and putting them in charge of some communities will also go a long way to building up the trans masc pop. for cis women, im not so sure how to attract more, maybe we can analyze reddit womens communities and see what theyre interested in talking about and setting up specific spots of hexbear for those interests.

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Might just be they're quiet. The internet isn't kind to them. If we weren't so openly accepting of trans people I assume we would have a lot of trans women also being quiet. Being a woman on the internet kind of trains you to not let people know your gender if you don't want to be chased out of a place.

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[-] replaceable@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Almost no cis women, which i suppose is to be expected considering where we came from

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[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Got 395 responses using BeautifulSoup and sorting by old/new like you (@kristina@hexbear.net) said.

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago

xe/xem: 1

Of course I know xem, xe's me

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[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Very cool. Great work, and all the love to our trans and questioning comrades. Super great to be part of a place that is so welcoming. hexbear-trans

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