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Took me a bit and I am a little drunk but here are the totals. We had a good showing.

Note: some comments got cut out because the server doesn't like displaying more than 300 from what I can tell. I did my best with what it would show, I just sorted them by new. This should be fairly representative of the currently active userbase. As an aside, I believe we did a similar survey a looong time ago, and we had only 33% of the active userbase as trans.


Random thoughts:

A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably. This isn't Harry Potter and I'm not a hat so I just went with what they were sounding more convinced of.

A lot of people are even cuter and don't understand how to follow instructions, though some of this is my fault. Made this a little harder to organize.

Some people were not cis and did not identify with the words 'transgender' or 'gender diverse'. If I ever do a trans/adjacent survey again, I think I will ask 'Are you cis?'

I may do a survey for queer people overall eventually, and the question will be 'Are you cishet?'

I would love to do more scientific, inclusive polling and have better and more questions and options, but we need some good secure polling tech for that, which we don't have. So I just have to ask simple questions and get a handful of answers.

Next time I will look into how feasible it is to post a couple of comments and get responders to upvote certain ones. This might fix the issue of the display of comments being limited.

Since some people have two sets of pronouns, both of their pronouns are included separately.

Since the poll was public, some marginalized groups probably shied away from answering. If we ever get a secure way to poll people, we would get more realistic estimates of the trans and cis women userbase.


#Tallies

Yes: 121 
No: 137
Maybe: 37 
Total: 295

If you think something is fucked, you can do it yourself, the thread is public. Hope you like pie! shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 64 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Shout out to the cisgender they/thems

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago

amab: assigned mysterious at birth

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 62 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably.

UwU I just don't know... I'm totally cis but if someone were to tell me otherwise I guess I could go along with it... crush

Oh no, I hope they don't pick some cute gender for me shy

A-are they gonna make me change my pronouns on the bear site? That would be so...! ralsei-blush

[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 39 points 7 months ago

Alright ya just signed up to be β€˜force’ femmed trans-ferret

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[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

I think there being only one cis woman on the site comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information because men on the internet would inevitably be strange about it.

That said, there's probably only 5-10 more in hiding (if that, even).

It would be interesting to see other instances demographic surveys - have they ever done any?

[–] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 41 points 7 months ago

I think this is entirely true, if pretty sad. Cisgender women I have been in online gaming communities with nearly always end up harassed at some point.

This is true for trans women too, but for different reasons.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 41 points 7 months ago (3 children)

How dare you suggest men on the Internet would not be extremely and incredibly normal grillman

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[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 48 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[–] solitaire@infosec.pub 55 points 7 months ago (6 children)

This is the weird reality of the internet. I've met far, far more trans men in real life than trans women but online it's the complete opposite. I have no idea why.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 67 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Big ups to trans men for being a lot less terminally online, lol

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

that's not the case for most of the ones i know at alllll πŸ™ƒ

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

Ah they just tend to use tumblr instead?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 43 points 7 months ago

we stay inside where the handholding is at

[–] imikoy@hexbear.net 30 points 7 months ago

According to the stereotype, trans men are grilling.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I've personally met more trans women IRL than trans men β€” but regarding your experience, I also feel like trans women are probably more likely to be closeted than trans men.

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Something something femininity being seen as weak and shameful

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

For some it might be personal shame, for others it's going to be survival strategies, for many it's going to be a bit of both. Women are disproportionately more likely to support trans rights while men are disproportionately more likely to oppose, and you can also generally count on women to not be actively violent and creepy in a way that you absolutely cannot count on with men. So I think that whichever is the predominant gender in your social group is going to affect the immediate consequences of your coming out, how many people around you are potentially dangerous and how large of a support network you can maintain after coming out β€” and whichever gender dominates your social group is oftentimes determined a lot more by how others see you than by how you see yourself.

This is obviously not to imply that coming out as a trans man has no consequences whatsoever, though.

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[–] booty@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago

Pretty sure there are like 4 total AFAB people on this site

[–] Moss@hexbear.net 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Wow this site is overwhelmingly AMAB. I knew AMAB people were the majority but I didn't expect it to be that much of a difference.

I guess that's because the site originated from a Reddit community. Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago

Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?

Conèche, we need diversity of perspective.

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[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago (1 children)

remember when those lemmy nerds were saying we were all faking being a trans inclusive space?

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

They'll probably pull the "look, there can't be that many, so that proves they're lying" bullshit.

You can't win with liberal transphobes

[–] oregoncom@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They probably going to use the small number of cis women as an excuse to say some TERF shit. burgerpants-dejected

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Shoutout to the token cis woman hiding ࢞among us࢞, whoever she is

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[–] Poogona@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Got so much respect for the trans posters here, the depression I had growing up stemming from a comparatively light amount of alienation and isolation from my peers took an incredible amount of effort to climb out of, so it seems like an almost supernatural feat to me to be openly trans in these times.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago
[–] theother2020@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago

No. Cis woman here if you’re still collecting.

[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago (6 children)

While I get I can't read gender by just asking "Are you trans?" and "Pronouns?", did we not find a single cis woman on this website?

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is an opt-in poll and lots of cis women probably opted not to self-identify, as someone else pointed out

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 35 points 7 months ago

We likely would see different results in an anonymous poll as well as with a poll that included lurkers

[–] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 7 months ago

You see that tiny dark blue sliver, i think that’s the cis woman pop on the instance

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[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

Thanks for doing this, it's very interesting.

We have comparatively few transmen it seems. 3% of the"yes vote" use he/him pronouns, in comparison, 42.4% use she/her.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

This is driven primarily by the source of the userbase here being reddit exiles. We have a low number of transmen because reddit has a low number of transmen.

I think also to a lesser extent transmen are often less radicalised than transwomen due to the focus of right wing attacks being far larger(quantity) against the latter.

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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

WE FUCKING DID IT sicko-hyper Even though the dataset & stuff is janky, very good results, not entirely surprising.

The amount of gender confusion/questioning in that thread was very cute. Perhaps bugging cis people about their identity more would be productive?

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago (7 children)

HARDEN YOUR HEART O QIN HUANGDI

INCREASE YOUR ATTACKS SO CRUEL

SEND THEM ALL TO LIVE WITH ME

IN AN ENBY SAPPHIC POLYCULE

[CROWD GOES WILD]

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[–] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] replaceable@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

Almost no cis women, which i suppose is to be expected considering where we came from

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[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Very cool. Great work, and all the love to our trans and questioning comrades. Super great to be part of a place that is so welcoming. hexbear-trans

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

Got 395 responses using BeautifulSoup and sorting by old/new like you (@kristina@hexbear.net) said.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

xe/xem: 1

Of course I know xem, xe's me

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