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It is becoming clear that much of the stakes of the November contest will revolve around questions of gender – and specifically, questions of family

“It’s possible,” writes Jessica Winter in the New Yorker, “that if JD Vance had his way, citizenship in the United States would be conferred not solely by birthright but by marriage and children.” This is no exaggeration. In a now viral 2021 clip, JD Vance said: “Let’s give votes to all children in this country, but let’s give control over those votes to the parents of those children. When you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more power – you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic – than people who don’t have kids. Let’s face the consequences and the reality: If you don’t have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn’t get nearly the same voice.”

This position now represents large swaths of the Republican party, which has taken on an angry and aggressively prescriptive approach to family life.

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[–] Infynis@midwest.social 103 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you don’t have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn’t get nearly the same voice.”

Then we should put a cap on the voting age too, right?

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Or those who just live for the afterlife?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 89 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Someone remind them of all the welfare moms who would just vote themselves a big chunk of your tax dollars in between squeezing out brats.

Obviously, that whole thing was a total distortion in the 80's and I do not endorse that point of view, but I'll bet if right wing boomers were reminded by someone on their team they'd be scared shitless.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Zero percent chance they don't think the family patriarch (or divorced patriarch as the case may be) ought to be the one casting their children's votes.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago

Well, maybe it would force him to explain that. Just make them say the weirdest policy shit imaginable. Maybe we could make it all weird enough to drive away the non-maga crowd.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The irony is that right-wing boomer suburban homeowners are the real "welfare queens," and are subsidized by the urban apartment-dwelling single moms.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

JD Vance isn’t running for mayor though. Property taxes are a local issue. At the federal level the situation is reversed. Bigger families mean more income taxpayers. Nuclear families tend to produce wealthier and more educated offspring than single moms.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Oh dear, I remember all of the "latchkey kids" and how horrible it was that moms worked instead of being at home with their children. If the Republicans actually cared, they would have put in support systems back in the 1980s when it became clear where things were heading.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Just a somewhat related note, it clued in to me they say "family values" because they can no longer say "Christian values".

[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago

I think that's always been a dogwhistle for Christians anyway.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 36 points 3 months ago

Hrmmm.... given their other policy stances I assume that means if I and a buddy freeze a bunch of fertilized eggs we can vote for each one of them?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Will I be able to marry my couch?

[–] ASDraptor@lemmy.autism.place 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As long as your couch is not the same sex as you are...

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

As 10 lb. 10 oz. baby Jesus wanted it.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As hilarious as the couch stuff(ing) is, this guy's policy positions fill me with violent rage.

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Imagine how the monkeys felt as their balls singed.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is that a new JD Vance meme I'm not yet privy to?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  • good luck on that constitutional amendment that won’t ever get passed
  • this is pretty transparently a Nationalist Christian “go forth and be fruitful, but only if you’re white” ploy. They’re trying to turn the US into an ethnostate.
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 3 months ago

Quick note: the US has yet to transition out of being an ethnostate since its foundation. When they say they're anti-woke, what they're really saying is they're pro-apartheid

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This doesn't surprise me. I remember being told when I was about 22 that I was a terrible person for not having children. It was, you see, irresponsible of me because I should be planning for the future and for who would take care of me. Instead, it turns out, that I'm an awful, awful human being because I will eventually become a drain on resources.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This will last exactly until they realize that in the US Black and Hispanic families have, on average, roughly twice the number of children as white families according to the Pew Research Center. The only racial demographic having less children than white people is Asian-Americans, and it's basically a statistical tie between those two demos.

It would be hilarious if democrats were like... well, ok, if you insist.

[–] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m sure the Musks, Kochs, and Theils of the world will be super excited about giving poor people more voting power. /s

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

I feel like 200k is a very low cutoff. It's probably based on some plan Elon and Peter came up with for adopting or birthing 100k babies and making the government pay for them all

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So if the reasoning behind this is that parents deserve to have their votes weighted heavier because they have a bigger stake in the country's future, shouldn't Evangelicals who sincerely believe we are living in the end times get less weight than anyone?

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I am medically incapable of inseminating a woman because I am sterile.

And JD Vance thinks I would need what ... to prove that so that I could have a ballot ? Or is he saying that biologically I am not allowed in democracy ?

Or does Vance think that adopting confers voting rights ? Can someone in a small town adopt 300 children and win an mayoral election ?

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago

Vance thinks you're not going to vote the way he wants you to so you shouldn't be allowed to.

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Keep in mind they only want "traditional" families and consistently try to block LGBTQ+ from adopting.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you don’t have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn’t get nearly the same voice.

I fully support this.

I want to see America progress into the future, therefore my vote should matter more than those who want to return America to the past, right?

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Anyone over 65 only gets half a vote because they're gonna die soon.

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

It’s impressive how much thought went into to this insanely dumb idea

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

They might as well show up and run my family at this point. Their interest in controlling my day to day can be met with mowing my fucking lawn if they're that up my ass.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

He will of course make an exception for the Catholic religious orders that are celibate

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm a parent and having more kids should not increase your voting power. That makes no sense. You can't have more free speech, in a truly equitable world, you can't have more say than someone else unless the situation solely pertains to you

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

In Vance"s world view everyone (whites only except his wife) is equal but some are more equal than others clearly.

Please vote for sanity and shut the fascists up for good

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

I'm but a sad couchless cat person

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Ah, using the old "democratic republic" in the sense to marginalize people, sweet.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

This is honestly terrifying but would ostensibly require a constitutional amendment. I know a lot of people who would likely fall for this shit.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 months ago

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