Honestly, after that DNC, I legitimately crave nothing more than the complete and total dissolution of the USA and for all of it's citizens to be put on trial for crimes against humanity
Yes, even myself
this post was submitted on 23 Aug 2024
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I don't think I've seen a more congratulatory display of openly hating the poor and patting themselves on the back for genocide.
Dems you outdid yourselves.
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no more half measures walter
Ur so brave
Thank you
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After this week I'm convinced they're not winning. They're too high on their own supply, it's 2016 all over again.
I don’t get why hexbear has suddenly decided that kamala is going to win. Yes, she has a better chance than Biden, but it’s still basically just a coin toss.
I think it's because watching democrats flail around trying to prop up a shambling corpse only to get owned in the election by Trump of all people was going to be funny as hell but that got ruined and now we're bummed out.
I think a lot of people aren’t factoring in the economic situation. Shits hard rn, a lot of people vote off that without having any form of coherent politics.
every four years the electoralism really comes on strong around here 
The only interest I have in the electoral process in America is the bets I place on it. I currently got 20 on trump against some old lib
At the end of the day, all Americans are libs.
and every time there's a bunch of smug "why do you care so much" energy that doesn't understand what electoralism even means. electoralism is directing the revolutionary party's resources and energy into the electoral process. on hexbear, almost nobody is even advocating people vote a certain way on an individual level. discussion/analysis of the bourgeois elections =/= electoralism. we aren't a political party that's being derailed from important political activity by a preponderance of talk about elections. at most it's just annoying
Electorlism is an addiction and should not be taken lightly. Vote for me and we'll have a Vote Exchange on every corner, so you can safely inject the votes directly into your veins without fear of illness.
Electoralism is when I talk about elections and the more I talk about elections the more electoral I am
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Probably because Trump hasnt been funny for a while so we have lost faith in him, even tho the election will mostly be decided by who can mobilized their base more instead of going for the independents
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It's damning just how senile and clownish the GOP is and they still have a significant chance of winning anyway.
They're kinda boosted by the fact that the dems just held a frothing fascist rally filled with Hitlerian raving
Why would fascists be excited by the "polite" off brand? 
yeah it's still much closer than the dems are letting on. I'd guess that whatever the outcome, it's gonna be pretty close to 50-50 just like 2016 and 2020.
The difference is that Trump seems to floundering now, and has been low energy in general lately, and many right-wingers are getting tired of the Trump movement, and would probably prefer to go back to the conservative equivalent of brunch. Which wasn't the case in 2016.
Also considering the current age of identity politics I think there will be a lot of really gross and cynical uses of her identity. The "👏more👏women👏faces👏of👏empire👏" meme will be played out in some of the grossest way possible win or loss. It will be "inspiring" that she wants to be a helm of the machine that makes everything worse. I think it'll be uniquely bad for black leftists as I'm over 9000% certain that they will do the "If you ain't votin' for Kamala you ain't black" thing.
I also think there will be a lot of weird "DISCOURSE©®™" on how black is too black or not black enough or too woman or not too woman enough sorts of discussions. There are LOT of reasons to hate Kamala, and I want to say here and now I hate her cause she's an imperialist, a liberal, and just generally everything I don't like about democrats. Not her identity.
I think we are going to see a lot people talking about how it's either good or bad to be a bad bitch/brat (I don't even know what that means and I don't care enough about modern pop to figure it out)/girlboss when you're tough on crime or immigrants or all the stuff we hate about imperialism.
(for the record I think it's weird and perfectly shows how racist America truly is in that blackness sort of overwrites all other ethnic heritages and backgrounds because we hate it the most)
Lots of it in her speech last night.
CW: SA
She mentioned sexual abuse in her speech four times, including in a section where she proclaimed her unwavering support for a pro-rape country, and pretended that her time as a prosecutor was spent defending victims of sexual violence rather than protecting the perpetrators.
She's also vice president to, at the least, a weird pervert and at worst a sexual predator
Harris will fail at everything she does
She's only failing if you think she's trying to make things better
Yeah she's succeeding at becoming president, that's all that's going to be accomplished by this campaign
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Kamala is actually doing an incredible service for the left, she is drawing the line between those in the west that can actually even be considered to be on the left and the so called left, the liberals, now exposing themselves as naught but fasicsts. This line being drawn is incredibly useful as long as the left sees and recognises it, and pivots their strategies away from trying to ally themselves with fascists. Knowing the impotency of the western left, i dont have high hopes tho
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You're talking as if the US didn't just have 4 years of Joe Biden.
it's crazy how much it feels like nothing happened in the US in the last 4 years but it feels like China built infinity high speed rails, infinity nuclear power plants, infinity solar panels, started an electric car revolution, has a microchips industry that's only 5-10 years behind (and I don't feel like computers are much faster than 10 years ago in the US...), 1 genocide (RIP deserts), has several competing flux capacitor prototypes, will probably build a base on the moon and mars, has a theoretical bases for the constructing the world's first matrix of leadership, can turn geese invisible, invented Kwisatz blockers, etc..
...meanwhile we only got something called "AI" whose best use-case is mass producing spam and misinformation.
several competing flux capacitor prototypes
I'm sorry? The time traveling device from back to the future?
Where we're going, comrades, we don't need roads.
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I don't know what you're talking about. I've been listening to the Democrats lately and it's clear to me that Trump has been in power for the past 4 years. We gotta vote blue to get him out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember to write in Joe Biden, they say he's the only one who can save democracy
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I’m now pretty convinced that Trump is the harm reduction candidate. The best case scenario is Dems control Congress with Trump as President.
I’m not sure harm reduction is even possible in the confines of the American bourgeois electoral system
Not the normal way but perhaps through sheer laziness and incompetence
If Trump is as easily manipulated by Russia and China as the Democrats say he is, then he's definitely the better candidate for avoiding global thermonuclear war.
(Of course in reality it doesn't actually matter who's president, the system ensures that we're charging headlong into WW3 as the main antagonist regardless of who the figurehead is.)
The distant possibility of Official US Envoy to the DPRK Dennis Rodman serving in Trump Administration 2 would be kinda fun
I've had similar thoughts about 2020 in retrospect, except with accelerationism. The common sense was that accelerationists should support Trump over Biden, but Biden actually turned out to be the accelerationist candidate.
I'm starting to be convinced that we can't predict shit about shit when it comes to electoral politics, other than the obviously correct take that this thing is on rails to fascism and WWIII at an unknowable time in the future regardless of who wins
yeah I really can't think of anything that would actually be better under a Harris administration. Trans issues I suppose? And maybe reproductive rights? Although roe v wade was overturned under a dem administration so even that falls flat.
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What left. Americas left has already been utterly destroyed at anything other than the hyper local level.
The only left that exists in the US is the one you build with your comrades and your community. Mutual aid will continue no matter who is in power and right now I'm afraid that's the best we've got.
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I've completely lost hope that capitalism can be defeated in time to take action on climate. Global collapse will do it in before revolution at this rate 
It may end up being too late to prevent collapse, but it will never be too late to get revenge
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with all the shit im hearing out of the DNC its way less than certain she'll even eke out the win now. all she had to do was shut the fuck up and let the nebulous difference between her, Trump & Biden do the work but now she's sieg heiling away the volunteers and affiliate organizations.
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The left will be blamed for everything and the right will dig their heels in regardless of who wins.
It would just be Obama 2.0 but without the charisma and probably with less competency given how terrible her 2020 campaign was. Which aligns with your description. Liberal status quo, identity politics masking social murder, back to brunch, and ascendant reaction as material conditions continue to proletarianize the public while no left outlets for political organizing can (yet) sufficiently capture the disillusioned.
Things will be pretty similar either way, though. Ds and Rs will trade off and govern the machine in ways that lead to the same conclusions. Libs will go back to brunch under D's but that just means we can't backseat drive them. But that doesn't work very well anyways because we are too few. Our work remains, more or less, the same, and it comes back to organizing fundamentals.
Honestly, she already is, or maybe she's the culmination of Biden's disaster. Everything has been driven so distressingly far to the right.
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