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I've heard the legends of having to drive to literally everywhere (e.g. drive thru banks), but I have no clue how far apart things are.

I live in suburban London where you can get to a big supermarket in 10 minutes of walking, a train station in 20 minutes and convenience stores are everywhere. You can get anywhere with bus and train in a few hours.

Can someone help a clueless British lemmyposter know how far things are in the US?

EDIT

Here are my walking distances:

  • To the nearest convenience store: 250m
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 350m
  • To the bus stop: 310m
  • To the nearest park: 400m
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 1.3km
  • To the nearest library: 1.2km
  • To the nearest train station: 1km

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: 16km

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[–] expr@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Let's give it a shot. I live in the suburbs of Lincoln, Nebraska, which is an average-sized college town in the US (about 300k residents):

  • Nearest convenience store: 1.1 miles/1.7km (we often do walk there, takes about 20 minutes)
  • Nearest chain supermarket/big supermarket (they are often one in the same here): Target @ 1.5 miles/2.4km
  • Bus stop: 1.3 miles/2.1km
  • Nearest park: 0.6 miles/965m
  • Nearest public library: 3.5 miles/5.6km
  • Nearest train station: 9.1 miles/14.6km (we don't really use trains much at all in the US, though)
[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here are my walking distances in Seattle:

  • Convenience store: 150m
  • Chain supermarket: 30m
  • Big supermarket: 1.6km
  • Bus stop: 10m
  • Park: 100m
  • Library: 150m
  • Train station: 2km

Straight-line distance to Space Needle: 4.3km

[–] Badabinski@kbin.earth 3 points 1 month ago

I used Google maps to get these values. I'm using Google's estimated walking distance and will also include Google's estimated walking time.

  • Convenience store
    • Distance: 800 m
    • Time: 11 minutes
  • Chain supermarket
    • Distance: 1.1 km
    • Time: 15 minutes
  • Bus stop
    • Distance: 230 m
    • Time: 3 minutes
  • Park:
    • Distance: 450 m
    • Time: 7 minutes
  • Big supermarket (Walmart)
    • Distance: 1.7 km
    • Time: 23 minutes
  • Library
    • Distance: 2.7 km
    • Time: 37 minutes
  • Train station (local light rail)
    • Distance: 3.1 km
    • Time: 43 minutes

I'm in Utah somewhere south of Salt Lake City (the state capitol). The numbers aren't great, but they're far better than some places I've lived here. As a kid, I remember biking for 20+ minutes to make it to a small supermarket.

EDIT: as others have said, my paths can be quite bendy at times, but it's different than many suburbs in the US. Salt Lake City (and, by extension, most of the valley that it's in) is built on a fairly rigorous grid system. We have lots of straight roads with large blocks (in some cases, it can be 1-2 km between lights and crosswalks). We don't have too many ratfucked suburban mazes, so the walkability problem here is primarily due to sprawl and a dearth of crosswalks.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago
[–] psion1369@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It isn't just that things are too far to walk, it's that American car companies have made it part of our culture to own and drive, and it's unpatriotic to do otherwise. That causes a severe lack of public transportation and sidewalks and bike lanes. So because of all this, I have to drive a mile through my neighborhood to get to a 7-Eleven that would be a quarter mile if I walked.

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[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago

I live in a semi rural area. My closest grocery store is 10km, but it's down the interstate, meaning even if I wanted to walk it, I couldn't. Without using the interstate it's about 15km.

My closest convenience store is only 7km, but the road i live on is not safe for walking (lots of blind curves, no sidewalks)

My nearest bus stop is 60 kilometers away, in my nearest city.

Nearest library is about 4 km past the convenience store, so 11ish klicks

Nearest train station is give or take 300 kilometers. We don't really have any train service here.

Straight line distance from me to big Ben, give or take 6,500 kilometers

[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It depends what region your in.

City: depends where you live, i.e. how close to "downtown" you are. A lot of stuff is walking distance, but not everything. You could walk to school and get some basic food or a pharmacy. Probably need a car/bus for work or larger grocery trips.

Suberbs/town, you might be able to walk to convince store or to school/library, everything else is going to be a car or about a 30min walk. That being said, sometimes you're "deep" in the suberb and the nearest convince store is a 20-40 min walk.

Rual/farm: you need a a car to visit your neighbors. Nearest grocrey is a 30 min drive away.

[–] GeorgeLightning@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nashville TN suburbs and here are my walking distances:

To the nearest convenience store: 6km
To the nearest chain supermarket: 11km
To the bus stop: 6km 
To the nearest park: 4.1km
To the nearest big supermarket: 12km
To the nearest library: 13km
To the nearest train station: 25km
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[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I live in rural Ohio and I drive about 40 miles (65 km) round trip a day just getting to and from work, and that's pretty average for a rural area.

The nearest grocery store and back is about a 15 mile (25 km) round trip.

In the rural areas, which account for most of the land area of the US, things are far enough apart that it makes it impossible to survive without a vehicle.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 month ago

I live in NYC. It's one of the few large places in the US that's dense and not completely car focused.

Convenience store: 5 minute walk to several

Supermarket: several within 10 minute walk

Pharmacy: several within 10 minutes on foot

Library: I think there's two within 10-15 minutes walking

Restaurants: several within 10 minutes on foot

Subway: about 5 minute walk. There's also a bus stop there.

Very large park: 15 minutes or so

I never want to live somewhere where I need a car again. Someone I was talking to at a party the other day was like "I love having my car it's so much freedom" and I'm like aside from needing to fuel, maintain, insure, and store it I guess.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 month ago

It is fucked here unless you own property already in the good parts or you are upper class income and can move your ass into the good parts despite the obsene costs.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
  • Nearest market: 600m
  • Nearest big supermarket: 5.2km
  • Nearest bus stop: 5km
  • Nearest park: 1km
  • Nearest library: 1.6km
  • Nearest train station: 26km

Having a small market so close is a massive improvement from my previous address, where the only option was a big supermarket 3.9km away.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'll chime in since I'm in Canada, which is sadly just US delayed by 20 years.

I can walk to a convenience store with high prices in about 5 minutes or 360 metres and little else. It's all residential beyond there until a 25 minute walk or greater and everything is spread out. The main shopping centres you might want to walk around are an hour walk away. To reach the store I actually shop at for reasonable prices, it's a 12 minute drive or a 7400 metre walk (a miserable one with spotty sidewalks)... just for fun, it's about 45m by bus BEST CASE but realistically you will take an hour unless you hit the exact right bus at the exact moment it pulls up.

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[–] Roldyclark@literature.cafe 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I live in a walkable neighborhood in Richmond, Virginia. I have grocery stores in walking distance but usually drive to nicer ones for big hauls. I drive to the gym. I could bike there but there’s no bike lanes and steep hills. Everything else on your list is just a few blocks away.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Nearest grocery store is a little over 3 miles. Libraries about four and a half miles. Nearest passenger train is about 200 miles away. I think there's a bus stop about half a mile away but I don't know if it's a full-service one.

[–] GreatRam@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just to give the other side. I live in a big city in the US.

  • Convenience store: .2 miles, 320 meters

  • Chain supermarket: .5 miles, 800 meters

  • Bus stop: 300 feet, 90 meters

  • Park: 0.2 miles, 320 meters

  • Big supermarket: 0.4 miles, 640 meters

  • Library: 0.9 miles, 1.4 kilometers

  • Train Station: 0.3 miles, 480 meters

[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
  • To the nearest convenience store: 1.3km (small supermarket)
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 2.25km (Trader Joe's)
  • To the bus stop: 321m (busses 30 minutes apart)
  • To the nearest (public) park: 1.1km
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 2.89km (Safeway)
  • To the nearest library: 1.3km
  • To the nearest train station: 1.8km

Straight-line distance to Golden Gate Bridge: 11.6km

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Living in a small town in central North Carolina (answering these questions in units of city blocks that are ~150 meters long or in statute miles:

To the nearest convenience store: 4 blocks

To the nearest chain supermarket: 2 miles

To the bus stop: ~35 miles (It's a distance to the nearest town with a bus service)

To the nearest park: 8 or 9 blocks

To the nearest BIG supermarket: 2.5 miles. The "nearest chain supermarket" is a Food Lion; slightly farther down the road is a Wal-Mart and a Harris Teeter about the same distance away.

To the nearest library: 3 blocks

To the nearest train station: 4 blocks.

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: ~4000 miles. juuuust out of earshot. I don't recommend walking.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Based on the small town where I grew up:

  • convenience store: 2km
  • nearest chain/big supermarket: 5km
  • bus stop: what bus?
  • park: 10km (but there are hiking trails within 1km)
  • train (metro) station: 5km
  • library: 5km
  • long distance train station: 20km
  • my dad’s daily commute when I was growing up: 140km (that’s 140km each way, 5 days a week. 1200km of commuting each week. He did this with a combination of car, bike, and train. It took him about 3 hours each way.)

Note that a lot of the roads don’t have sidewalks so even if you want to walk it can be kinda dangerous depending on time of day.

Based on cities I’ve lived in:

  • convenience store: 300m
  • chain supermarket: 800m
  • bus stop: 500m
  • train (metro) station: 1km
  • park: 1.5km
  • library: 1.5km
  • big supermarket: 2.5km
  • long-distance train station: 2.7km
  • my current commute: 3km

The cities tend to be a lot more walkable, but you still need to take the car or train to get to things like by the bigger (and cheaper) supermarket and other stores. The train is slow and unreliable (sometimes it’s faster to walk than take the train) so cars are much more popular.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I live in New York (city):

  • Convince store: several within 1-2 blocks
  • Grocery store: 1 block away
  • Train station: 3 blocks away
  • Park: less than a block
  • Library: Very short train ride (4 stops) and a bit of walking (15 minutes) (there is a closer one but that requires a bus and considering New York traffic busses aren't the best).
  • Statue of Liberty: Roughly 2 hours by train
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[–] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

One of my high school girlfriends had to drive 45 minutes each way to school, and home. About 36 miles. She lived in the middle of nowhere near a state park.

At my parents' place, it's about 9 miles (~14km) to the nearest gas station/convenience store, which has super limited hours, or roughly a 15 minute drive. It's about 14 miles (~23km) to the nearest grocery store, or about a 20 minute drive.

I live in the suburbs of a major city, so the nearest stores from me are around a mile (1.6km) away. The nearest big supermarket is like 2 miles (3.2km) away.

[–] tal 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My refrigerator is annoyingly far from my desk chair.

[–] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

Putting a minifrige under my desk was one of the best bad decisions I've made.

[–] BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Things around me aren't that far per se, but you have to cross a 45mph road (where people regularly drive 55-60 because it's designed like a highway) along several sections of unconnected sidewalk if you want to get there without a car. The sidewalks are 4ft wide at most and have no separation from the car lanes so you have to walk with cars whizzing by just a couple feet from you. There's also no shade.

For reference - it takes 5 minutes to drive to the nearest grocery store 1 mile away, but walking it's 31 minutes with the unpleasant conditions I mentioned. So I've never walked there. I could bike and it would take 10 minutes, but biking along cars at 50mph doesn't sound fun. I also live on a bike path, but it doesn't go to the nearest grocery store so the nearest one along the bike path would take the same amount of time as if I walked to the nearest one (25 minutes). That one is 3.5 miles (11min) by car or a 1hr walk.

[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

It varies wildly depending on where you go. I think the worst-case scenario in terms of car-built cities would be someplace like Phoenix, Arizona. Visiting that city, I gained an appreciation for what it must be like to have a physical handicap that affects your mobility, because being in Phoenix without a car is comparable to having a disability. You cannot go anywhere on your own two feet in any reasonable length of time. It's the kind of place where you need to find a Walmart to buy a loaf of bread. The closest thing to a corner store is going to be a gas station.

[–] burgersc12@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago

Depends heavily where you live. Rural places can be an hour drive to the closest grocery store. For me, I live about 5 minute drive from stores and my work. But I cannot feasibly walk to where I want to go, there is zero sidewalks in my area and cars go at least 35 mph on the slow neighborhood roads and 50 mph on the busier main roads (less than 3 minute drive to get to either one). Bus and train infrastructure is basically non-existent so not an option. My only option is risk my life on a bike on the shoulder of the main road (since theres no bike lanes) and hope the weather isn't bad or I have to drive a car .

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I went to College about 65 miles west of Chicago (or about 1 hour driving). One weekend some friends decided to take a road trip to Maine so one friend could confess their love to someone. They left Friday after classes ended and drove nonstop, took one hour in Maine for the friend to get shot down, and then dove back. They didn't get back until late Sunday night. That's about 1300 miles and with a few bathroom/food stops 24 hours each way.

[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Take a look at a population density map of the US. A lot of the places that don't light up are agricultural. If for some reason you have never seen a real farm before and always wanted to then by all means come on by, but we call them "flyover states" for a reason. All the cool tourist destinations are in the glowy bits.

I assume you were asking for tourist reasons anyway. If you were just asking for curiosity sake, it depends where you live. I live in the rural part of Illinois and it only takes 15 - 20 minutes to get to a supermarket by car, but walking there is completely out of the question. Especially with the hills. Oh God, my feet hurt just thinking about it.

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[–] dch82@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Here in London, using a car is pain and suffering with single-digit average speeds due to intense traffic jams

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

As you might note, the busier and more dense a city is, the closer things can be yet the longer it takes to get somewhere per unit of distance. Unless you walk. Sometimes you're out in the burbs and something's 10 miles away but it'll take you less than 10 mins to get there.

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Highly dependent on where you live. Some places are very sparse, others are pretty dense.

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