Isn't that fucking illegal?
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If it were for actual votes, yes. But this is money for signing that a petition a PAC Musk runs has created.
can we sign up, take his money, and vote Harris?
if a million people do this it adds up fast
That might make it easier for him to claim election fraud. He might try to argue about how the election results don't match with the number of people who took his money.
Such a dumb argument but MAGA would 100% believe it and dash their lives against the US government to make it true.
Good thing it’s not a legal document and doesn’t prove any intent whatsoever.
The petition is saying you support free speech, the second amendment, and the Constitution. You can certainly support all of those and vote for Harris.
the guy who famously never pays his vendors or his rent until he gets evicted is promising to send money?
wow sign me up...
To all those wondering how this is legal: nowhere does it ask people to vote for Trump. The petition asks people to pledge their support for the Constitution, free speech, and the 2nd Amendment. Signing it does not indicate you are voting for Trump. But I could absolutely see the signatures being used for propaganda.
Shit sign me up! If Trump wins I get 100 dollars if he loses I get 100 dollars.
Wait is it really illegal for a billionaire to pay voters $100 from their own pocket for voters to sign a pledge? Even if the pledge was titled "so Trump wins"
Not sure if it is explicitly illegal but there would absolutely be lawsuits with good reason. Imagine a district where 51% of the people sign a pledge to vote for a candidate but the candidate only gets 47% of the vote and losses the election. The candidate with the pledged voters would scream voter fraud and their backers would likely get violent. Considering we had that happen with almost zero voter fraud in 2020, it would not be an unlikely scenario.
$100 ehh, I guess cards against humanity did get to him :D
and this is lawful? actually legal? What the hell is USA??
It's legal because they're paying for registrations not votes, you can't see who someone voted for just that they voted and if they registered as a party member or independent.
It's actually explicitly illegal to pay to get people to register to vote.
You're right I'll withdraw that, the law states to vote, withhold vote, vote for a candidate, or vote against a candidate
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
Because the musk giveaway requires registration to be eligible makes it illegal, compared to the cards against humanity PAC as they are not saying they are only paying after confirming a registration or vote. Cah wants 3 things none of those are a check on registration or voting.
Rome 2.0
Give me the $100 first (completely and irrevocably non-retractable). After I (in my sole judgement and by my sole timeline) am 100% convinced it's mine, then I'll sign.
lol he will never deliver.
This is showing how desperate they are which maybe they know something about Trump’s chances to avoid prison.
pretty fucking close to vote buying if you ask me
I’ll take his money and then not vote for Trump. It’s not like he can tell.
He can, though. In another post about Cards Against Humanity's project, they explained how criminally easy it was to create a PAC, request and acquire voters information. They can see your registered voter information and who you've voted for in the past.
Edit: Someone corrected me that they can't see exactly who people voted for, but, they can see party affiliation, and if you voted. Going by that data, they can assume you voted for the party you're affiliated with.
Voting records don't show whom you voted for. They do show party affiliation, which they can infer from.
Sorry, so they can see if you voted and party affiliation, and based on that, they are paying people more or less $, assuming affiliation to a party ment they voted for that party.
So which party are they paying the most? I'm assuming it's only certain states
CAH are paying more to people who voted republican last election, only if they post on social media why they are voting democrat this time, and their plan to go out and vote.
I can't find the page from a few weeks ago anymore though, apologize.lol links to a different page of Cards Against Humanity's campaign where I can't see the FAQ anymore.
I'd like to see that source. The voter information should be limited to their registered address and what primary or caucus they voted in - not their individual votes, which are anonymized. At most, a PAC should only be able to infer (from the voter information alone) a likelihood of which political party the voter is associated with. Now, if they take that voters info and combine it with open source intelligence, social media, advertising intelligence/marketing data, they can make much better assumptions.
At the locality level, the voter is issued a serialized ballot. The local township, city, whatever keeps a log that "voter x received ballot Y", but that's where the association ends. Before being tabulated (read by the optical scanning machine and dropped into a sealed chamber), an election official removes to perforated strip containing the serial number, and the voter deposits the ballot (deserialized) into the tabulator. There is no input to the tabulator to indicate which ballot, or which voter was just processed.
The registration receipts and ballots (without serial numbers) are kept by the locality under seal for a designated retention period.
Source: local election official
I believe they said they bought more useful information from a sleazy data broker too.
For some reason when I upvote posts they dissappear for me even if I search.
The website linked that CAH made was apologize.lol and they had a FAQ section saying how they and Musk are doing this with their PACs and how it should be illegal. Looks like they changed that site too, since I first saw it a few weeks ago, I can't find that faq section anymore
Cards Against Humanity are paying people more or less depending on how they voted last election, according to the records they collected.
Edit: found solution to the dissappearing upvoted posts 
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Jesus titty-fucking Christ. If someone like George Soros were paying people to vote for Harris, right-wingers would be losing their collective shit and flinging it at the moon.
The double standard is amazing.
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I really liked this line:
But it’s also possible that Musk is simply doing the rich guy thing—and the classic rich tech guy thing—of walking into a new situation and assuming all of his ideas are important.
What a chud.
You can tell capitalists are getting desperate when they start offering ~~brides~~ ... bribes ... to voters during an election
EDIT: beautiful how a simple typo can grab people's attention so much
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