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[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 107 points 6 months ago

THANK U FOR PROTECTING ME FROM EVER AFFORDING AN ELECTRIC CAR MR PRESIDENT. I'LL CROSS THAT OFF MY LIST, JUST LIKE "HEALTHCARE" AND "LITERALLY ANY HOME." joker-amerikkklap

[–] bumpusoot@hexbear.net 77 points 6 months ago (1 children)

US is being seriously outcompeted at its own game by China, and this is it slowly imploding in response. Genuinely think we're on the steep slope of decline of US economic hegemony.

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 46 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is after passing huge subsidies with the IRA and CHIPS act. Very interesting!

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How the hell did anyone see that law and not think that the rich would just pocket the "subsidy".

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

I seriously don't get it either. Comparing how the US does subsidies to private companies to how China does investment in state owned (whole or in part) enterprises really lays bare how our whole system is just intended to print money for rich people.

[–] WashedAnus@hexbear.net 74 points 6 months ago (7 children)

For those who don't want to click the link:

  • The tariff rate on certain steel and aluminum products under Section 301 will increase from 0–7.5% to 25% in 2024.
  • The tariff rate on semiconductors will increase from 25% to 50% by 2025.
  • The tariff rate on electric vehicles under Section 301 will increase from 25% to 100% in 2024.
  • The tariff rate on lithium-ion EV batteries will increase from 7.5%% to 25% in 2024, while the tariff rate on lithium-ion non-EV batteries will increase from 7.5% to 25% in 2026. The tariff rate on battery parts will increase from 7.5% to 25% in 2024.
  • The tariff rate on natural graphite and permanent magnets will increase from zero to 25% in 2026. The tariff rate for certain other critical minerals will increase from zero to 25% in 2024.
  • The tariff rate on solar cells (whether or not assembled into modules) will increase from 25% to 50% in 2024.
  • The tariff rate on ship-to-shore cranes will increase from 0% to 25% in 2024.
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 6 months ago

Didn't car companies just announce they were canceling battery orders due to price?

Why are we fucking doing tariffs (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 34 points 6 months ago

Damn this is actually worse than I thought.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Damn, really trying to catch up to W for the title of "dumbest modern President"

[–] DerRedMax@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But we NEED ship to shore cranes we don’t have enough [US Flagged] for the construction that’s already underway, most of which was paid for by

Oh. The Joseph Robinette Biden Built Back Better Bill. Huh.

So this will affect like everything that costs money. Cool.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago

So this will affect like everything that costs money. Cool.

Steel and aluminium going to 25% gonna have excellent effects on any infrastructure construction and maintenance and industrial manufacturing still left in the USA.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 6 months ago

This sounds like excellent idea, carry on.

[–] prolepylene@hexbear.net 61 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In the last year or two we've finally hit a point in the United States where the price, availability, and reliability of solar assemblies makes solar farms cheaper and more reliable than fossil fuel plants, and where individuals could get solar panels installed in the roof of their home or business for the cost of a used car.

This tariff throws that progress away. So much for the Biden regime's stance that market mechanisms will solve climate change.

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 56 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Why??! Who the hell is this even for?

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 64 points 6 months ago

Domestic producers that don't exist. They think that by doing shit like this manufacturing facilities will spring up out of nowhere. They don't stop to reflect on the fact that the reason china has the capacity it has is because the government built it. But we will never do that here, that would be communism.

Let's set aside the fact that no competent management team would justify a multi billion dollar business case on the back of a tariff that can just as easily be lifted overnight, depending on how polls in Michigan are doing

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seriously, I’m trying to understand why the hell they would do this. It’s like shooting yourself in the foot to spite the shoemaker.

The international supremacy of the US economy relies on dollar hegemony and US imperialist foreign policy. The whole point is to be able to import cheap goods from other countries. If China’s rise is a threat to that then why accelerate the process?

The only rationale I can think of is the Biden admin legitimately thinks the Chinese economy cannot grow without access to the American market and that tariffs have the power to curtail such access. That seems so incredibly naive though for a whole number of reasons. It’s hard to imagine people with that much power are just that obtuse.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The handful of republicans in the US that might change their minds and vote for Joe.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Literally zero republicans like that exist

I know dems claim to think they do

They don't

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Socialdemocracy in Poland suicided on similar tactic. They took their voters for granted and kept moving right in order to gain liberal votes. Of course they didn't, and lost their voters in the process, to the point of nearly getting kicked out of parliament itself. The only lesson they learned on this is to become 100% liberal and to openly form a bloc with them.

Succdems gonna succ, the more i look at them (not only in Poland), the more i come to conclusion those people are way too stupid to be even alive, so they aren't stupid, and it's all the perestroika frozen in time.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago

For the EV and environmental tech companies based in the US. They'll get to suckle like a leech off climate funds, at the most expensive rate possible.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 55 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why tho?

porky-happy: "Sorry gen Z, the legacy cities are full! Have fun living in your rural hometown forever! Don't forget to buy a car, it's not like you have a choice anyways!"

"Fine, well if you insist, can I get this cheap Chinese EV? Least you can do is let me not be cattle for the oil industry."

porky-scared-flipped: "No way! What kind of unamerican freedom-hater are you?"

[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 54 points 6 months ago (1 children)

i'm sure this will really give china incentive to cut ties with russia

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 35 points 6 months ago

It's 4D chess, you just don't get it

[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 51 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Deng defeated the amerikan empire in the 70s and the yanks still haven't realized it.

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

China legitimately outmaneuvered the entire western world. It’s wild to compare the liberalization of their economy vs shock therapy in the USSR.

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 48 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

US just loves killing whatever is left of their own industry or R&D that rely on those materials and of course the fucking libshits will eat this as a good thing for them somehow.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

This kicks the solar industry hard in the balls

There are no domestic panels, certainly not at the scale needed to build what's in progress. Deeply stupid, harmful decision, by our fucking baby brained CHUD president

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

thank you President Biden for protecting my investment in Kentucky beachfront property!

spoilerI joke of course. I'll never afford property.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

May be able to get some underwater Florida property in the far future 😭

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

I just put a 100% tariff on decrepit segregationists so I think we’re even

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago

these costs certainly wont be passed to the working class!

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 31 points 6 months ago

Nice "free market" you got there. Real "most green energy president ever"!

[–] dachshundwithadesktop@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

@shipwreck@hexbear.net / @Kaplya@hexbear.net curious what your take is on this from the perspective of MMT. Part of Biden's actually intelligent plan? Or a a huge misstep in his advancement of US imperialism?

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

Protectionism can be good for a country that’s looking to develop domestic productive capacity and minimize foreign imperial influence. The US isn’t doing either of those things. Not an MMT person but I’d wager it’s closer to a misstep.

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago