Gender for clothes is silly anyway, just wear what you want!
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Listen they don't want you to know this but you can just buy women's clothes. No one's stopping you. They aren't going to ask you for a doctor's note or your estrogen prescription.
Of course, finding women's clothes that fits us can be pretty hard, just as it is even for cis women who aren't shaped like an "average" woman.
Skirts are nice though, and they used to be men's clothes anyway
Worker in the women's clothing section of the mall: "sorry, you need to submit to a medical check before you buy that cute top"
uhhh uhh umm, wait, you see it's for my girlfriend, she is very straight, we're both entirely straight and she exists and she wanted me to buy some clothes for her
Surprisingly gender conservative clothes seller: "Sorry but if you were 'straight', you wouldn't be buying any clothes. You'd be mowing the lawn and watching football. You have been sentenced to a ten hour documentary series on MMA for your crimes."
If you were straight, sir, you would faint at the mere sight of fabric that soft!
Yeah I always enjoy the anecdote about how the ancient Greeks considered the Persians uncivilised because they liked to wear trousers. Greek chads meanwhile going into battle in like your classic white pleated miniskirt to show off super bronzed thighs and like a super cute little linen bodice omg just like so fashion uhuh
You just want to dress like a final fantasy character. I want to dress like a castlevania character. We are not the same.
final fantasy character. I want to dress like a castlevania character
Honestly, amazing fashion ideas
no more half measures walter
All my shirts have nothing written on them. Am I wearing women's clothes?
Actually yes. I don't make the rules.
but the emoji guy turns into a woman
the huge advantage of being a guy is that you can be ugly af
FUCK YEAH BROTHER!
That's the thing i fucking adore about cross dressing, like, yeah its more practical and everything, but wearing "men's" clothes just lets me exist as a person first and foremost rather than as an aesthetic performance as women are expected to be. By completely refusing to ever wear makeup or "women's" clothes or shave i have basically been able to opt out of the race; no one expects me to compete as "a woman" anymore and they seem to measure me on the same scales that they measure my male friends and colleagues, rather than how they judge other women because i just offer 0 data points on that scale. It's phenomenal.
its like how people say "ur gay lol" and you just go "yes.png" and it takes all the wind out of their sales. Like, you say that I'm ugly and not being a woman correctly? Yeah exactly lmao, deal with it. It's so freeing.
But yeah, there's nothing wrong with crossdressing comrade, I wish you the best of luck with it. I've been crossdressing everyday of my life since I was 14, and I'm cis too - it's just nicer to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I know that I will never have to dress as a "woman" ever again in my life and its the best possible feeling.
EDIT: But yeah no, to answer your question, is fucking awful for women who do play the game properly. The vast majority of my friends are fucking miserable about their bodies and a few can't even leave the house without makeup. the pressure for women to be physically appealing is constant and horrendous.
if wearing the same solid-colored t-shirt and pants is good enough for cartoon characters, it's good enough for me
Professional clothes for men: button down shirt tucked into dress pants
Professional clothes for women: we got dresses, skirts, a billion different variations of pants, we got shorts, we got short sleeve shirts, long sleeve shirts, NO sleeve shirts.
But yeah lemme choose between a fucking blue or white button down shirt and pants. Guy clothes are so fucking boring
I am just being contrarian, but at least I don't have to think about what to wear when I go to work. And as long as you replace your shirts, trousers, and tie every 2 years, you're usually the best dressed guy in the office. I am a lot more open to feminine colours now tho. I have shirts and ties that are pink, purple, and red.
Cis women can wear mens clothes, cis men can wear women's clothing. Personally I find mens or androgynous clothing more comfortable and practical, but every now and again it is nice to wear a cute dress.
But yeah dudes look great in a cute dress. I wish it was more common.
I mean it used to be norm, I don't care if they called them robes or tunics or togas or kilts, that shit was nice.
I find women's clothing choices difficult for a different reason. There is style to be had (but I feel mens clothing has styles too, depending, I love greaser and punk fashion), for sure, but it is all very thin fabric and cheap and impractical. If you want to do anything other than sit still and look pretty, it can be frustrating. It can be hard to find women's clothing with simple things like pockets for example.
Also keep in mind that women had to fight very hard in the past to be able wear things like pants and other clothing considered "mens clothes" without being being sent to a doctor for "hysteria".
So maybe there will be a day where "women's clothing" is something that isn't gendered anymore in the same way pants are now. I hope so.
but it is all very thin fabric and cheap and impractical
Fair enough. I forget this kinda thing.
So maybe there will be a day where "women's clothing" is something that isn't gendered anymore
True. It'll be a positive change.
Leggings opened up an entirely new world to me, as someone who is basically hot any time it's above 70F
I didn't even know I was a woman when I started wearing them! I just knew I wanted to not die of heat stroke lol
Leggings are cooler? I did not know this. They look warm to me.
There's different kinds! Some are warm fleece, some are knitted polyester and it feels like wearing nothing at all~
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I always laugh when I go shopping for clothes online, and I'll see something that says "glasses for women" or "glasses for men." It always makes me laugh because I just lack the ability to see clothing, in any capacity, as gendered. I wear whatever I feel like wearing, and I'd say a good portion of it comes off as androgynous as I almost never wear skirts or dresses, but I'll wear various kinds of clothing, including flannel, sweaters (sometimes with vest, sometimes without), fashionable but casual dark jackets over light button-up shirts, and of course, a wide variety of t-shirts mostly of metal bands and tons of long sweatpants too.
glasses for women" or "glasses for men."
It's so unnecessary, except for probably dudes who are paranoid about getting shit from their mates.
That's just weakness.
But on the plus side men always get pockets. So many pockets!
It's unreal how difficult it still is to find nice dresses or skirts with actual pockets and how pockets are also used to justify a lot higher prices. Wtf is it with the way even womens sweaters or other clearly pocket coded clothes like pants still have zero pockets or they have those dumb fake pockets.
The answer here is to embrace historybounding. Even embracing the masculine 19th century styles we still have opens up a lot of colour and shillouette options. A colourful tailored dress greatcoat with heavy waist suppression and full skirts is a great fit, for instance.
And of course there's always the 1970s
Though of course even here there's a lot of feminine styles to try too. It just gets more equal (and arguably tilted towards men before 1600)
It's 35 degrees out. Corporate dress policy says long pants for men but women can wear skirts. At various points I've considered claiming to be non binary, claiming Scottish ancestry, and claiming some sort of made up religious belief so that I can wear shorts or a skirt to work.
I might be fully wrong, but working in a "formal dress" environment, women seem to have a lot more flexibility. The trousers and shirts of some are so damn close to weekend wear. The men all have to wear ties and trousers. Fuck, I don't care. Definitely not complaining that it's unfair, I have enough real shit to grieve over.
The main downside for women is that some places still mandate or "strongly suggest" high heels, which is a travesty.
I wore women's clothes for years and I'm a cis straight guy. Women dug it because it showed confidence, taste, and style. I liked how flared jeans looked, since they were sort of a more muted version of bell bottoms. As my torso grew more masc I sort of abandoned that look, as I felt it was more fitting for slimmer figures, but I definitely agree that men's clothes are just so much more boring unless you go out of your way
I am a cis male and I wear women's pants and accessories all the time. I don't really wear stuff like skirts or anything but I would if I had a fit go with it. Doesn't make a difference to me I'm just chillin with it.
And you are absolutely right, women's clothing is a lot more interesting in general.
This is going to sound like I’m making fun of your desire to crossdress, but I mean this genuinely. I wish I could wear the outfit of an early medieval peasant. Maybe a relatively well-off peasant. From the depictions I’ve seen I think the clothes look cool and comfortable. An undershirt, a linen tunic, braies, leg wraps, turned leather shoe. A straw hat if you’re working out in the sun. Maybe a nice cotte for traveling, and a cloak. The same outfit but in wool for the winter time, with a wide-brimmed felt hat.
But there’s two reasons why I’ll probably never put together that outfit. One, I’d need to lose about 150 lbs or else instead of looking like a guy wearing a tunic I’ll look like Homer Simpson wearing a muumuu. Two, even if I wasn’t fat people would respond to it poorly. Unfortunately, dress is part of social language and I don’t think I’m brave enough to buck those norms. Younger people will ask where the ren faire is. Middle aged people would write me off as a weirdo. And older people would always be saying “Oh Wilfred, we missed you down the parish church on Sunday, Wilfred. Father Adelbert said Arthur’s coming back. Isn’t that wonderful, Wilfred? He’s coming back with his sword, oh won’t he have his sword, and he’ll build a perfect kingdom here on Earth just for us. That’ll be lovely. Don’t you agree,” and I never know what the fuck they’re talking about.
I know I did devolve into a bit of a joke there and I guess I should offer some support, but I don’t know what I would do if I wanted to crossdress. I wouldn’t be brave enough to wear a monk’s robe in public, let alone a flowy sundress. You should live your life however you want. But, you know, I don’t know where you live or how you present, so, like, stay safe too.
This is going to sound like I’m making fun of your desire to crossdress
Nah, your fine. I didn't think that.
But really, fuck anyone that judges your style in the way you're describing. I get it, one does want to fit in, and I'm just as guilty of it in my post. But do remember that people that judge you for your looks fucking suck, and they're doing you a favour by telling you upfront how terrible they are. But if you need to fit in to survive, I understand.
While men don't have as much choice as women in terms in terms of acceptable clothing, but knowing fashion will open your options tremendously. On top of that, confidence is 75% of looking good.
Mens summer fashion is very plain, but there's a lot you can do with layering in winter. And you can wear different fits of trouser and t shirt. Flared or pleated trousers, ringer t shirts, etc.
This is an open call to all men, buy yourself a pair of well fitted non stretch denim straight leg jeans. A secondhand pair of levis. They are fucking everywhere. They will go for less than £20. They will last you many years. They will make you not look like a tool (sorry modern communists, you have the worst dress sense). They will make any t shirt you wear with it look somewhat styled.
This post is rad and funny looking at it from a filthy crossdresser's perspective. Yes womens' clothes are objectively cuter and more funner.
They are also made out of the worst material ever for free, the sleeves are always too goddamn short, the jeans have a really big waist? The sizing and durability is terrible.
I love women's jeans though and the cardigans/pullovers/winter mom fashion in general. I look soooooo good in a turtleneck.
I honestly defaulted to just dressing ugly often for comfort and convenience though. Jeans or tracksuit bottoms, a loose oversized men's tee, whatever jacket or hoodie. I became a goblin, Idk if people judge my style of dress or whatever. I'm FemaleAutismMaxxing.
Also though
Obviously the huge advantage of being a guy
Sorry I thought we weren't even trans? Now you're weighing the pros and cons of these genders? =)
They are also made out of the worst material ever for free, the sleeves are always too goddamn short, the jeans have a really big waist? The sizing and durability is terrible.
Good to know. I guess I need to start wearing women's clothes, so I know.
I honestly defaulted to just dressing ugly often for comfort and convenience
Really I do too. But my style is just trousers or jeans, and a crappy shirt that might have something Marxist on it. "Nice looking" men's clothes look so damn ugly to me.
I've been seeing more guys wearing skirts in queer circles in my city, in a non-cross-dressing way.
Also, I find that most guys really don't do a lot with their wardrobe. Even trousers and t-shirt can be worn in several different ways.
I've been seeing more guys wearing skirts in queer circles in my city, in a non-cross-dressing way.
Neat!
Even trousers and t-shirt can be worn in several different ways.
For the aesthetically challenged such as myself, this is like explaining calculus for the first time. Like, how so?
I'm getting a bit jealous of some of more the fem fashion choices some queer men pull off. I want to dress well like that.
I'm not queer, but I started dressing just a bit fem recently with cuter colour and pattern choices. It's just a bit more interesting.
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If youre not a woman, and you want to wear womens clothes, does that mean you have to take clothes from women?
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Centrist transphobic dudes: "I'm very concerned about women's fashion"
I used to wear women's jackets a lot because I would go to thrift stores and it was easier to find stuff that fit me
but yeah nah be cute af
The average dude’s fashion sucks. Just a bit better and you’ll be great. Flannels, cargo pants, and kilts are cool imo, but yeah, women’s clothing is fun, try things out.