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hard to say because bush never did an insurrection. Could end up with a reputation more like nixon.

hope america doesnt exist in 20 years though

Abso fucking lutely.

Bush was worse than Trump by a long shot, if they'll rehabilitate them they'll do it for anybody.

No. He was extremely crass and showed open disdain for the democratic institutions of the country. Dems aren't going to rehabilitate someone who breaks kayfabe about American democracy.

No, I don’t think so.

Bush’s “rehabilitation” is based on Americans’ relationship to the invasion of Iraq. At the outset, most Americans supported the invasion, over the years, as victory wasn’t exactly swift and decisive, most Americans turned against the war and Bush, by extension.

But Americans don’t actually understand why the invasion was evil. They just know “Iraq war bad”. If you could do a Vulcan mind meld on them, what you probably discover is most Americans eventually turned against the war for reasons like “we didn’t win right away so why are we there?” and “everyone around me is against it now too”.

So by not being tethered to any principled anti-imperialist or anti-war stance, over time Americans have really stopped caring about Iraq - and Americans in general don’t give a shit if their military kills a million people in their name on a good day. Since the Iraq war no longer carries any significance for Americans, their reasons for disliking Bush kinda go away too. They can’t remember why they didn’t like Bush. So they see him painting pictures of dogs and sharing candy, and that’s the only thing that sticks in their brains. The same dynamics just aren’t there for Trump, totally different situation.

Btw I don’t agree that W has been rehabilitated by liberals at large. I know plenty of them IRL that still hate W. I think it’s more an “independent” or centrist thing, or libs on Reddit which is no way indicative of real life.

In 20 years all politics will be done by AI and the Blue AI will be all about reaching across the aisle while the Red AI (codename: Benito Franco Hitler) is writing and putting forth thousands of bills per minute with most of them trying to legalize enslaving everyone outside of the I-M253 haplogroup

No, no. Of course not

They'll do it in 10

"Welcome to the resistance, Trump!"

Sorry, just practicing for ten years down the line when God Emperor DeSantis and Vice President AI Hitler are in charge.

yea, i think when he dies they'll start scolding people for celebrating and take the "moral highground" by denouncing anyone saying a dead person could have done bad things

I don't think they'd rehabilitate him to the extent that Bush has been, but I think that also depends on what the Dem overlords decide. I don't think people would have been as fond of Bush as they are now if not for the Obamas doing their best to help him look like the nicest war criminal you'd ever meet.

He was our first bit president. Just gaffe after gaffe. Remember covfefe? Hilarious.

That's a really good question. I don't remember libs having the level of derangement they have over Trump with Bush, so it's hard to say, they really hate the guy but not as much as they hate leftists tho.

Definitely. I can remember the democrats starting this shit with Romney in 2012, even though he is arguably more milquetoast than some democrats. I’ve also seen random libs on tiktok (judge all you like) criticizing Nikki Haley, and I’m like, who the fuck cares, this doesn’t matter, etcetera. I think it comes from the media’s need to make everything into a crisis in order to attract attention but also the contradictions in the ruling class are approaching a point of rupture. Like the south still would have seceded even if Jefferson Davis had died before the actual secession took place.

I actually don't think so.

Trump is too crass, undignified, and the cult of personality he formed around him is too grotesque and embarrassing. He's too aesthetically distasteful to Libs for them to ever embrace him.

[1] See reagan

Dems won't exist in 20 years inshallah

As someone who lived during Bush Jr's reign, I respectively disagree. The common talking point during the Bush years was that "Bush is just an idiot. The real evil mastermind behind it all is Cheney." These cringey political comics are representative of the political class's attitudes towards Bush and Cheney (CW: cringey political comics):

• https://media.cleveland.com/darcy/photo/29ggjfdarcyjpg-3ba6f1934d6ea25c.jpg

• https://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/cartoon217.jpg

• https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/0Jtw_nAfJ5eCUqelRxQzhDunC0E=/506x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bostonglobe.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OED4JPXYW4I6HIPVBB2X7GHZGM.jpg

Here's some cringey political comics during Obama's presidency, still playing up to "Bush is a puppet of Cheney" (CW: more cringey political comics):

• http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/width620/img/opinion/photo/15078341-standard.jpg

• https://image.cagle.com/64613/750/64613.png

I remember a political comic from like 2007 or something that just had a shitty drawing of Cheney's face with the words "the real reason why we shouldn't impeach Bush." So, ostentatiously progressives were already playing defense for Bush even in like 2007. Bush wasn't rehabilitated so much as Bush always had lib apologists frantically going, "B-b-but Cheney! B-b-but Rumsfeld!" coming up with any excuse to deflect Afghanistan and Iraq away from Bush. All those memes of Bush's face next to a chimpanzee or "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" also reinforce the idea of Bush being stoopid and easily bamboozled by the diabolical Cheney. Shows like The Simpsons and South Park also played up the idea of Bush good but dumb, Cheney smart but evil.

Once you understand this, Bush's "rehabilitation" was inevitable.

As for Trump, nah the political class fucking hates Trump for breaking political kayfabe and disrupting the farcical kabuki theatre that is electoral politics. Trump's legacy among the political wonks is going to be worse than Nixon at this point.

In 20 years he'll be remembered like a goofy Reagan. (Certain) People will praise his policies and think of his tenure as "the good times" and credit him with pivoting to China while still being embarrassed by his mannerisms.