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like I live in rural montana where most of the population is reactionary and racist and it is objectively less violently authoritarian here than nyc

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 60 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Libs solidarity Chuds

Thinking NYC and more specifically the subway system are like a lawless war zone out of Judge Dredd with roving gangs and gun battles.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Still feels weird reading Judge Dredd and realizing that the ultimate fascist police cop treats the mentally ill better than our current pigs

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 8 months ago

Well that's because they actually get decent training? Or some how have more care and compassion?

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

i still run into liberals (that have never actually been to the east coast, of course) who talk about New York like they're filling column space in a 1970's newspaper

[–] Red_Eclipse@hexbear.net 59 points 8 months ago (3 children)

a bill to ban people convicted of a violent crime on the subway from public transit

I remember redditors LITERALLY talking about how "in China if your social credit score goes too low then you're not allowed to use trains and stuff!! OMG 1984!!!" which is apparently just made up

And then.... here we are.

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

just fucking anything to not address the massive social problems we have and instead make them a million times worse

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

But it's good when it's capitalism

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 50 points 8 months ago (1 children)

From The Hill’s article on the announcement:

The announcement came after a string of high-profile crimes on trains in the city, according to The Associated Press. However, crime and subway system killings have fallen in general in New York City since a rise amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

“I’m not here today to talk to you about numbers and tell you stats and statistics about what’s going up or what’s going down, I’m here to take action,” Hochul said. “Because that’s what the situation requires.”

Reality doesn’t matter, what matters is using security theater to paper over how obvious it is I’ve risen to the level of my incompetency!

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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 48 points 8 months ago

In communist china, soldiers with machine guns patrol the subway and randomly detain people and search them without reason

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 41 points 8 months ago (3 children)

ban people convicted of a violent crime on the subway from public transit

This is some Half-Life 2 "anticitizen" shit

[–] PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I wish liberals were just honest about it. If you want to vote for Genocide Joe, don't lie about it. Be proud, about your choice. Don't mangle game-theory or pretend you are some kind of prescient elder making HARD choices about evil. Just say you are comfortable with genocide and the status quo and that is why you will only vote for Capitalists.

Undesirables need to be put in their place by the ever-funded police.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

That's really going to help them turn their lives around

[–] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

running a full background check before you can catch the train

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago

oh yeah, if you've ever committed a "violent crime" you should remain confined to the ghetto you were born in, shut out from the concentrations of wealth, power, and prestige that the middle and upper classes never leave. Oh but if we ever issue a court summons and you can't make it downtown for any reason, we'll issue another warrant for your arrest. Sounds like really sound policy that will definitely help people.

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

A famously great way to rehabilitate people checks notes barring them from public services that are essential to live a normal life in your city?

[–] regul@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

those in charge of the MTA are deeply unserious about improving the system in any way

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The MTA is run as a real estate interest that happens to also have a transit system

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You did it, you just broke down almost EVERYTHING wrong with 21st century capitalism down to its bare essentials.

Look at McDonald's, it's not even a fast food company anymore it's a real estate company.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 19 points 8 months ago

Oh, that's actually the cleverest bit, what keeps the whole enterprise running smoothly.

Running a restaurant, even one with the presence of McDonald's, is just not a particularly great business model. Costs, food labor maintenance ect, are high and profit is on average slim, prone to wild fluctuations. The real money is made in being the source of the costs, providing produce and meat, machinery and rental space. So, for nearly all of the company's history, McDonald's Corporation®(MCD) just doesn't bother with the restaurant end of things. Franchisee is just corporate-speak for bag-holder. In exchange for the profits of doing restaurant, the owner assumes all the actual risk of the enterprise. If it fails, it's own their head. (MCD) will still be there to rent the building and deliver patties to the next schmuck. If it turns out the location just isn't feasible? Liquidate it! It's all loss minimization.

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bill Gates owns like more land than anyone.

Software man needs land?

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[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Instead of tackling the actual problem by giving the homeless and people suffering from mental illness and/or drugs help as needed, let's just install military police chuds whom aren't going to do jack shit. amerikkka

[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh they’ll do something: they’ll harass and fuck with the most vulnerable and harassed people in society and lots of other random people too.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Liberals will be like oh yes this guy is ontologically violent. We must sequester him from society and make sure he only goes in The Machine That Makes You Violent proletariat no this is not a Parasite reference it's just a fitting image as I am talking about The Car

God damn America

[–] nightshade@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm reminded of the statistics that say that people switching to long-distance road trips instead of flying due to the inconvenience of post-9/11 airport security has caused more car accident deaths than 9/11 itself.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago

Social murder is good you god damned socialist! the-democrat

[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The new york democrat machine is way more conservative than red state republicans can ever dream of

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

Perhaps not more conservative, but more defensive of the status quo by a country mile

[–] Hexbear2@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

Why not just make the subway free and fund it with a tax on wallstreet? I'd run for mayor on that platform and be elected. Also, how does the Governor have any say over the city subway system?

[–] Blep@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

The landlord associations and the police cartels would simply not let you win

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

IDK, New York has a habit of electing the worst Mayors possible. That place is electorally cursed

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

You would get heart attack gunned with a platform like that.

If it were that easy to just run on good ideas, then make them happen, it would have happened once in our history.

[–] RustyVenture@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also, how does the Governor have any say over the city subway system?

The MTA is a state run agency that was formed in part to undermine the downstate political machine led by Robert Moses who is like the archetypal 20th century carbrained racist that was instrumental in the destruction of poor and minority neighborhoods to build highways and who purposefully sabotaged the development and operation of New York's mass transit systems for literal decades. His legacy lives on in the lack of rail connections both in NYC proper but also across most of Long Island. There's also a rich history of belligerence between the state government and city government, and like a lot of places especially in the northeast US a product of that is a spaghetti bowl of adversarial, duplicative, and parochial governing and rulemaking bodies that all get to have a say and dip their beaks.

Bill de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo constantly fought over shit like petty children. Cuomo's enormous ego tripping was especially noxious, leading to high-profile controversies like the last-minute shitcanning of the repair of an old but crucial subway tunnel that ran under the East River that got flooded during Hurricane Sandy. This also resulted in nixing a really promising busway pilot the MTA had planned after an extensive, nasty community engagement process that would've seen 14th Street in Manhattan closed to mostly everything but buses that would replace subway service during the 18 months it would take to do the repairs. This, among other political encumbrances, was likely a large factor in Andy Byford's resignation barely two years into the job. Cuomo is that much of a shitheel that he sandbagged and ostracized a guy his own board appointed either as a way to stick it to the NYC mayor or because Byford was actually trying to turn things around, getting recognized for it, and putting pressure on Albany to act.

All of this type of shit has left scars all over the state and it's just sad in the end. So many communities decimated by poor planning and political dick-swinging. As much as I miss living there—because it is truly a cool place to live/work/visit and riding trains and buses everywhere is dope and it's one of the only places in Amerikkka you can actually do that—I don't think I could ever hack it in NYC today. It just seems like it's become so much more of an oppressive place since I moved out a decade ago, but maybe it's also that I'm not a carefree lib anymore lol. Either way, fuck all these pigs and fuck this absolute clown shit.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then Byford came up to Toronto and faced some similar issues with our municipal vs provincial arguing over transit. Bad luck Andy.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Aren't there already a zillion subway cops in NYC who are also sucking up insane amounts of overtime? People tweet photos of the cops "hard at work" playing on their phones.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago

Don't worry, they also harass black teenagers who enter through the handicapped gate

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 19 points 8 months ago

The NYPD gets $1 billion in funding and have their own CIA.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

Just like Putin's communist Russia. 😔

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

New York is why you dont just "vote blue no matter who" or else you eventually start getting dems like hochul and Adam's.

[–] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

hochul and adams are just such demons. Complete ghouls, hard to stomach.

[–] Harajukum@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

80/30 on this being a tatic to survey the nyc protesters, ontop of the homeless population.

[–] neroiscariot@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

I love the blue check on twitter screeching about how this is a violation of the 4th amendment. It is readily apparent that none of these people have experienced the nuance of the American Justice System first hand.

[–] apj2k36@lemmy.ml 13 points 8 months ago

[NYPD Announces February 2024 Citywide Crime Statistics

](https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00100/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-february-2024)

"Month sees significant crime reductions in nation’s largest subway system, sustained drops in shootings, homicides, overall crime citywide"

[–] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

NYC has been a fascist police state every time I’ve ever been there

Fuck that place.

[–] Notcontenttobequiet@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago
[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago
[–] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

I mean the most authoritarian parts of NYC are like that to satisfy scared ruralites that live upstate, and to control a population that has the potential for revolt. Its not our fault idk what to tell you

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

For real. I live in deep red Michigan, and they hate authority and invasion of privacy here.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

Nyc is not New York State. But upstate is pretty reactionary to begin with with the exception of a few blue cities. Rochester is very similar in that it has some of the highest crime rates in the country and nothing is really done to help them out economically or medically. The police get a bigger budget every year and the school system gets bloated with money that mostly goes to the administration.

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