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Unconditional support for our sentinelese comrades in their struggle to resist the imperial invader

They should be left alone unless absolutely necessary is my take on it, they're just minding their own business.

Also, retreating into complete isolation as a result of their first contact being with nasty colonial Anglos is totally understandable.

~~airdrop furry porn~~

Leaving them alone is the only real answer

LEAVE THEM ALONE

I find it endlessly fascinating too. Uncontacted peoples in general can inspire a lot of wonder and curiosity in me. It's like trying to wonder how people felt throughout history, except that with history you have all these records and accounts and evidence left behind to give you an idea. You'll never know for sure, you can get an idea.

How these people feel and comprehend the world? Total mystery. They are disconnected from the vast majority of humanity in experiences and knowledge.

We know so little about them, and their day to day life would be entirely disconnected from the day to day life of you and me. They know the same about us - basically nothing, except that whenever we visit we tend to bring disaster to their homes. They don't want anything to do with it and will shoot arrows at visiting helicopters.

And how wild is that? I have to imagine seeing a helicopter when you skipped several tool ages would overwhelm the mind, but it doesn't. They're not interested in our planes, helicopters, hulking cargo ships - they just want to be left alone. It's not like they don't know we're cooking some wild shit out here, either. They've looted the wreckage of a cargo ship that ran ashore and since then they've been observed using new tools in new ways.

I sometimes wonder if we'll blow ourselves up one day and leave these guys to inherit the Earth.

let them vibe

They probably don't know what capitalism is. I'm jealous.

Let them be the first to reach out if they want to have anything to do with us. Otherwise just leave them alone.

As the world looks like in it's current state, forcing contact upon them is only going to be cataclysmic to their world. Maybe, in some better future where we are sure we won't kill them with diseases, steal their resources, exploit them or destroy their culture an attempt at contact can be justified but we are currently nowhere near civilised enough to be able to do that.

they certainly know how to treat missionaries, i'll give them that

Earth is probably the North Sentinel Island of the Milky Way.

I just hope no one ever finds rare earth or fuel on their island

Critical support to the Sentinalese for defending themselves from White Anglo-Saxon Protestant people of liberal belief!

That's what I'd say... but also, leave 'em alone, I suppose....

They will outlive us

I wonder, in a hypothetical scenario where we achieve global communism, would it still be appropriate to maintain no contact? Let’s assume for argument’s sake that we can get around the practical issues like disease, would we not owe them some form of consideration? As it stands, I feel like contact with the rest of the world would only make their lives worse and probably end their civilization as they know it, but if we had a far more just and equitable society, would refusing to engage start to resemble a form of chauvinism? Or at least neglect?

I’m honestly not sure what the answer is, or if I’m just wrong and the answer is simpler than I’m making it out to be. I feel like it’s easy to argue for no contact, for a variety of reasons, but is there a point at which non-interference starts to look like a form of captivity?

I'm glad India owns the islands. Not that India is some champion of indigenous peoples, in fact they are an imperial power in their own right. But it would have been worse if some Western nation owned it (like they still do other islands in the Indian, Pacific, and Atlantic oceans, wtf)

The Sentinelese make obvious that lustful chauvinistic gaze of the West that I haven't seen in other countries, except maybe imperial Japan, which was copying the West anyhow. The whole idea that the world is there is be "studied" and that places like the Sentinel islands are some final frontier is fucked up.

I understand the linguistic and anthropological curiosity a little, though I think researchers should be more humble. Most are humble actually, it's the general public that still has chauvinism.

The missionaries bother me the most. Christianization has killed off many local cultures, claiming to liberate them but not saying the quiet part about control and whatever prophecy about the end days where everyone needs to be Christian I think. In India, the lower castes and pariahs mostly are Christian, with the promise of equality, but in reality they still have the caste system within their communities and are just pariahs in different ways at large now. So not much has changed. I am also brown and live in the US, so I have felt the lustful gaze of missionaries throughout my life here. I get missionaries banging on my door every week now. It's kinda scary, considering the KKK were around only a while ago here.

Also interesting fact, the Andaman and Nicobar island were home to British jails for political prisoners. Indian rebels and revolutionaries met in jail there and even founded parties for independence and socialism. In a way, the islands are a birthplace of Indian revolutionary spirit

India's policy of "leave them alone" is the only right one. Maybe someday their culture will change and they'll seek out contact on their own, but until then it's their call to make and anyone trying to force contact on them deserves what they get.

Of all the Sentinel Islands, it is a (if not the) northern one.

My two cents is that if every native population had the standing policy of "immediatly murder whitey" the world would be a better place.

Give them a bunch of guns, anti-ship missiles and air defense systems in case another Anglo tries to set foot on their land. In fact give them nukes too, just to be sure.

Apart from that just leave them be and don't bother them.

I think we should NEVER force contact with them. We can kinda initiate it, but the decision to make contact should come from them. If they want to live like that, let them be. I don't think there's anything wrong with their lifestyle since they chose to keep it. Don't force people to have a modern lifestyle if they don't want it.

But it's weird that India claims the island, even though they don't own it.

They have a choice to leave their island. They don't use this choice so this means they really want to live like that

The island is inhabitated by around 50-500 (true number unknown) indigenous people who have inhabited the island for over 60,000 years. The Sentinelese people are well-known to attack most outsiders who dare to come visit the island. Apparently, one major catalyst was when a British man kidnapped an elderly couple and four children.

lmao
2000+ years of Tamils, Burmese, Arabs and Sumatrans sailing the Indian ocean and your first kidnapping is still by an anglo

Also daily reminder that when you say "Indian" you're referring to these guys as well (and Jarawas, as well as mainland Indian ethnicities like Malyalis, Tamils, Bengalis, Gujaratis, Punjabis etc)

What comrade @Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml said

I wonder how long it will be until inbreeding reaches a critical state and the island becomes naturally uninhabited.

I mean, there's no new bloodlines coming in, and there's only so many marriages and branches in the family trees that can happen.

Isn't this the island on which some guy got lost and then allegedly cannibalized or did I mix it with some other?

It's probably be best to leave it alone even after achieving full global communism, full support for the island!

It would be cool to send a remote device (super disinfected of course) to record their language and find out how to communicate with them. We shouldn’t send any people to the island though unless they tell us to.

Hell, I can respect their call. (Not that the choice is mine anyhow)

The current model of limited gift giving and contact to learn their language is reasonable and a valuable endeavor. There is no reason we should not be able to learn from them, or try to slowly improve their opinion of the outside world.

Other then that? Leave them alone.