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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 78 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

We pay respects to the millions of Indineous people throughout history who have protected our lands, waters, and animals.

our lands, waters, and animals

Bruh

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 42 points 2 months ago

man, i deliberately avoid lawyerese (it makes me feel creepy to read) so i missed this line. see? this is why i dont read this shit. now im angry. the fucking audacity, the real (not a normie's protective ego-husk), true and distilled arrogance one must own to say to their faces that "they kept the place up for us"....hrrrrgh.. agg.... it is so perfect a distillation of the liberal 'civility' i hate with a power beyond my thesaurus.

Yelling at these fucking lanyards wouldn't even work. I can see their blank, wide-eyed faces now, wringing their hands, confused as to where the anger was coming from if someone put them in the place they deserve to be.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 77 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah we know we stole your shit. And yeah we're doing nothing about that.

paid-for-by-kamala-harris ruthkanda-forever

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 58 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Yeah it's actually good to do land acknowledgements, and it's good they're doing one. You should do them too. I hate to break it to you but we're not in a revolutionary phase right now, but a consciousness-raising phase.

Land acknowledgements aren't something dreamed up by white liberals who want to expunge their guilt. They're an indigenous tradition that indigenous radicals (at least where I live) practice when talking between themselves. In the context of asking colonizers to do them it's never been considered enough to just do a land acknowledgement as if by doing so you're purchasing the moral right to continue occupying. It's a destabilizing statement that a) forces the person speaking to know a single gd thing about the indigenous people whose land you occupy and b) acknowledges out loud that the land was taken without permission, which believe it or not is where we're at in terms of convincing settlers that there's actually a problem.

That being said this is a particularly weak land acknowledgement. I've never really seen one that just talks about honouring the people with no explicit attention being drawn to the occupation and its contradictions.

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's good to do land acknowledgements but they come off as extremely hallow platitudes when done by politicians. Reading this almost felt like it had a dismissive tone written by a maybe-later-honey

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is done by an organization stealing land right now. This reads like they just wrote "SCOREBOARD" and called it at that.

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah we're polluting your land, kicking you off of it for mining EV battery material, and exposing you to the elements.

But ayy at least we did you a land acknowledgement!!!

Now they feel completely innocent and can enjoy their brunches without even a tinge of guilt.

maybe-later-honey 🍷clink 🍷maybe-later-kiddo

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A land acknowledgment done by an organization currently stealing land at home and abroad isn't an apology. It's bragging.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

A land acknowledgment isn't an apology in the first place

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Land acknowledgements like this one seem to be overtly reactionary, talking like indigenous people "stewarded" the land for colonists to just take over once they got here. This sort of "and then the Indians taught the pilgrims how to grow corn" cutesy bullshit is historical revisionism meant to counter what is actually good about land acknowledgement.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have no problem with critique of the specifics of the wording of this land acknowledgement, as you can see I listed some of my own.

But if you want to talk about reactionary, the energy of this thread is mostly hurr durr look at these fucking libruls doing a land acknowledgment

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

pretty remarkable it's the DNC too, not an organization that can't do anything about land policy. the friction everyone's talking about itt is probably perceptible even to libs when its on a federal level

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Land acknowledgements aren't something dreamed up by white liberals who want to expunge their guilt.

And? Pride parades weren’t dreamed up by weapons corporations and banks, and yet.

I don’t care if crackers acknowledge my problems. It’s worth jack shit. I rather they keep their mouths shut because at least then I wouldn’t want to strangle them when they talk

It's a destabilizing statement

It’s a placating statement. They fear absolutely nothing from these words in their little footnote of an “acknowledgement”

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Excuse me? But that last part where you claim to be supporting tribes is a lie. Even historically, no one cares about honoring treaties.

You trampled over sacred ground for your electric cars.

Despite 13k Navajo residents having no water your only response was "oops that's how civics work sorry sweetie", nevermind 14k of homes not having any electricity, despite your demands for them to mine coal for power plants.

Your systemic negligence rendered the Oglala completely unprepared and vulnerable to the 2022 storm

And you still haven't even even done anything for the leaking and abandoned wells on my people's land or the people next to us

The only thing you care about are your brunches and looking good for optics

FUCK YOURSELF YOU SMUG PIGS

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 48 points 3 months ago (5 children)

how is this still the shit we're doing? who does this work on? is it purely for the suburban libs with the "in this house we believe" yard signs?

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Those suburban libs are the core base of the Democratic party

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That describes all the white people living around me who aren't Trump supporters -_-"

They don't even disagree with Trump's policies. They just think he's rude. My mom is more upset over the Taylor Swift AI photos than the 100 kids blown up in a school earlier this week.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I got into an argument with one last weekend because they said we should go to war with China to "free the people there". Suburbia delenda est

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Freedom is when you turn two continents into radioactive wastelands using nuclear war that creates a death toll in the hundreds of millions.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

and can't even do the "china's nuclear arsenal is old and probably doesn't work" because it's newer and more advanced then the U.S.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

War with China? i thought the fallout games were popular with libs at least

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

People who drive Chevy crossovers and have live laugh love banners in their livingroom

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ritualized guilt absolution for overeducated white people. "Sorry about manifest destiny, anyway yaaas kween slay those Arabs"

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

oh god you're right. change half a dozen words around and you've got the dems actual thoughts on palestinians dying right now

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

our country was built on Indigenous homelands

"Was built on" is certainly one way of putting it...

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

Police reporting passive voice. "Our continent was in a white people-involved colonization incident."

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So they're calling for an armed uprising to give the land back? anakin-padme-2

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The best the Party can offer is a bill that mandates land acknowledgements before installing new pipelines through tribal land.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

Reading between the lines, this just reads as "thanks for taking care of our land, suckers"

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"We only stole your land and eradicated your culture and people no big deal." -US

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Acknowledgments mean nothing if the peckerwoods give nothing back

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Hey yeah so sorry I stole your car. Still keeping it tho

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I assume this is close to what all the placards at the British Museum say

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"ACKSHUALLY, all of those people were too dumb and greedy and corrupt, so these people all would've sold pieces of their culture to someone else if we didn't steal it to display; so it's good that we 'stole' it"

-Actual, common reddit-logo logic

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

man, you did a great job maintaining it. Its an absolute honor to drive a car this loved every day.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

I didn't even see the word sorry

[–] shreddingitlater@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Confession is not forgiveness

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

This doesn't even constitute a confession; it tries to subtly elide that the land was stolen and unceded.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Oh, so you're going to do something?"

"Nah, we just want to give our servile base something that makes us look like we care for a couple weeks. Oh, and fuck them Palestinians and their land too"

[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

tldr; sorry not sorry, enjoy the reservations and our mobile vasectomy clinic

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Funny, my Democratic governor has been the primary roadblock to indigenous sovereignty in my state and continues to fuck them over at every turn she gets. I'm sure they're glad she's there thinking of them though.

[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago

So yeah what happened to those Nations hmm? 🤔

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why isn't this in the dunk tank you lib

[–] git@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

chapotraphouse is a podcast

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[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What does the last bit mean? The reservation was there, but previously not under tribal control because there was no legally recognized tribe?

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Translation: L+Bozo

[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Has any indigenous person ever asked for this bizarre ritual?

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

Yes. That's why people do them. The US just has this weird ass fucking hang up about them.

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