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Trump Demands ABC Be Shut Down for Daring to Fact Check Debate (www.thedailybeast.com)

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 68 points 6 days ago (10 children)

Conservatives are mad that "they only fact checked Trump", and yeah, there's some truth to that...

But they let him tell so many little lies unchallenged. They only fact checked him on the egregious stuff like "Haitians eat pets" and "post-birth abortions".

Harris may have said some half-truths or omitted context for a few things, but she never told a single non-truth comparable to the things Trump got fact checked for.

The worst actual post-debate criticism I've heard for Harris was that she continues to say that Trump will enact Project 2025 and a federal abortion ban as president, despite his statements denying support for these things. The thing is, Trump is a huge fucking liar, and a Republican, so yeah, she's right to keep saying what he will absolutely do as president, despite his lies to the contrary.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

Harris may have said some half-truths or omitted context for a few things, but she never told a single non-truth comparable to the things Trump got fact checked for.

The problem with Harris is that she's a professional politician who knows how to skirt the line. So you can challenge her on a point and she can clarify it in her favor and then PoliticoFactCheck has to do a 500 word article getting to the nut of the issue (and they'll get called liars for their biased interpretation too).

But "Black people in Ohio are eating all your dogs" is much more straightforward and easier to debunk. Same with "infanticide is legal in California".

Trump is a huge fucking liar, and a Republican

He's ForwardsFromGrandma tier racist. Even as lying goes, it comes across as weird and vulgar.

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Didn't he also get like an extra 5-7 minutes of talk time? He would "answer" a question, Kamala would giver her rebuttal, then he would be like "wait a minute I need to respond to that" and they would let him.

[–] Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, definitely a double standard on mic control. Any time he opened his mouth they turned his mic on, she tried once and they did a hard pass. Hell, even while they refuted his dog eating claims his mic was on talking over the moderator.

And that's because all of the media loves Trump. They have a bias, sure, but they know the crazy shit he says sells views/headlines and that's their business, informing the public is a byproduct.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I did think it was weird that the one time Harris wanted extra time to rebut, they denied her. At the same time, I don't think Trump really helped himself with all of his extra talking. Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake, and all that

[–] Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

That reminds me of the Obama/Romney debate

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

They did that on purpose. Harris originally suggested open mics but Trump pushed back. I'm guessing she told the moderators not to worry too much about letting him get in an unsanctioned response, knowing that if he's at the point where he's barging in and ignoring decorum, he's likely going to self-immolate on camera.

She wasn't wrong. She was concise enough to get almost every question answered, and baited Trump into humiliating himself. Some of the most damaging things he said were said during time he wasn't supposed to be speaking.

It's the perfect trap. Giving him extra time sabotages him, but he can't complain that getting extra time to speak was a trap, because, as you suggest, at face value, it was unfair to Harris.

It also potentially saved the debate from an early conclusion. Trump has walked out of interviews and debates in the past when they forced him to stop talking or move on.

They really played him well.

[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago

we know definitively that trump is tied to project 2025, so yeah she's going to keep saying that.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

a federal abortion ban as president, despite his statements denying support for these things

They straight up asked him the question, and he refused to answer it. So, she didn't tell a "half truth" - he literally refused to say he would veto a national ban when directly given the opportunity to do so.

As for project 2025, it's his playbook. Whether or not he will specifically call it that, doesn't change the fact it's how he wants to dismantle the federal government.

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[–] abracaDavid 55 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It drives me crazy knowing that anyone takes this absolute clown seriously.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It drives me crazy that no one asks him normal ass questions. Like: can you elaborate? Can you point at it on a map? Do you know what that word means?

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

I bet you money he couldn't point out where Haiti is on an unlabeled map of the Caribbean.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Repeat the lies early and often and the general population will eat it up.

Carlin's quotes about average American voter still rings true today.

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

This was one reason I appreciated Harris repeating "Project 2025" several times. There's likely voters that didn't know about it, and it's possible her saying it enough got it in their heads to look it up. Can you tell I'm trying to be optimistic?

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What’s even sadder is that he would 100% be president right now if he didn’t constantly stick his foot in his own mouth.

Everything about Trump makes him one of the most awful human beings alive, and yet he would be the leader of the free world if he wasn’t also incredibly thin-skinned & stupid.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

He was gifted a nonpartisan crisis in an election year. He is so dimwitted and inept that he turned it into a wedge issue. He couldn't handle epidemiologists getting attention he wanted.

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Eat a dick, cunt.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

well, cunts tend to do just that

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 6 days ago

Vagina dentata that dick, cunt?

[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I demand the shitgibbon be shutdown. Did you hear me? I demanded it!

[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago

I declare it!

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago

Didn't he say he won the debate? What's he mad about?

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Don't worry Mr. Orange, I called emergency services for you.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm not sure there were opportunities to fact check harris and the one point where trump said it was disproven the "fact check" basically takes trump at his word that trump wasnt talking about the nazis.

Which is a black mark on snopes for allowing an unprovable statement as a fact by a guy known to lie and walk back his missteps.

[–] Mobiledecay@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

That's something a dictator would do. 🤔

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

i would really like to see someone successfully debate MAGA republicans that trump is unfit for office by reason of either, delusion, or insanity. That or concede that they are either, fascist, or equally deluded and insane.

The line of reasoning is very simple. It piggybacks off of the J6 report, which lines up the argument that there is no world in which trump knew that what he was doing on J6 was legal. The only presented alternative is that the entirety of the federal government is corrupt, and somehow only trump knows this, which is obviously indefensible. So it must follow that trump is either delusional, and unfit for office, or genuinely insane, and also unfit for office.

Therefore, if you don't think that trump is insane, and unfit for office, you are either, fascist, or insane and equally delusional. There is no alternative reality, because any alternative reality hinges completely on the concept of the entire federal government being entirely corrupt. Which is unfalsifiable and arguably, not possible.

If you support trump in 2024, you are one of three things, stupid, delusional, or fascist. There is no other option. This is categorically provable.

if conservatives will concede this point, i will agree with them on the take of biden being unfit for office, however they will literally never cede this, as they are fucking delusional.

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