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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 70 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

I know this is going to be a controversial comment, but this is a necessary statement from Putin. The concept of MAD fails to exist if one side allows itself to be attacked without any response. That's how the world ends up with a hot war between nuclear powers, and the inevitable escaltion to a nuclear exchange. Long range strikes into Russia using NATO weapons need to be avoided at all costs. NATO leaders are playing with fire, they need to be reminded that fire burns.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 53 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It doesn't seem that controversial to me. NATO is the aggressor and has had an agressive stance toward the Russian Federation since the coup they backed brought it into existence. They've been playing with fire for 30 years. They can't even feel the temperature anymore because they feel entitled to consequence free bombing campaigns. I hope Putin's message works and gets these rabid NATO wardogs to back off

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago

they had been aggressing before that too; they put missiles in Turkey first, originally causing the Cuban missile crisis -- then refused to ratify the already-agreed-on Salt II treaty (put doi# into sci-hub), while instead Bzrezinski and Carter financed and trained terrorists and warlords who r*pe children and throw acid at schoolgirls directly to create terror and crises in Communist Afghan which bordered SSRs with which there were many exchange and education programs so that they could push the USSR into a "vietnamese quagmire,"; which eventually grew into such a catastrophic organized international-terrorist-fueled civil war scenario that after the DRA had already asked for assistance 20 times and was being rebuffed even as Soviet advisors and ambassadors were murdered with their families by extremists, the Soviets eventually decided to choose what they deemed the "least bad" option and invaded. (China also helped the muhajideen terrorists, including facilitating CIA/ISI training camps near Xinjiang, and created their own blowback for that. Post-split Chinese foreign policy was UNHINGED and SHITTY DOO DOO ASS and I'm thankful they wised up into non-intervention).

and then after all that played out and the US backed the Yeltsin coup where he abolished the parliament impeaching him and shelled the building killing hundreds, the US continued as being the ones as you said been the aggressor. It was them backing out of every missile treaty one by one, after and while and remilitarizing Europe and expanding ever eastward in a move sponsored directly by arms dealers of whom Democrats are beneficiary, being heavily patronized and vice-versa by those same death-merchants. .

The US and its EU vassal-cartel and their NATO military vanguard-of-neocolonialism for which IMF and World Bank are the preeminent institutional entities of, have always been the aggressor. It's so bizarre western media calls Putin like he's an unhinged megalomaniac who only knows violence when in reality he's an incorrigible neolib who had deluded himself and others for decades the US might ever listen to their concerns and be anything different than a relentless aggressor. And Putin had been an incorrigible moderate against most of the Duma (from Communists to rightwingers) during all of this Ukraine stuff since 2014. If they had gone in in 2014 and said "absolyutna nyet" after the nazi-spearheaded coup, which many had pushed for and continued to over the years, there might have been 1000-2000 dead at most and none of this shit would have become so horrendous. But instead he only pulled the trigger on Crimea because of the Black Sea Fleet and otherwise continually blocked the Duma's demands, and dragged feet on and undermined the DNR/LNR demands and requests, instead letting them get shot and tortured and murdered and smashed out of Odessa and Kherson and Mariupol by Nazis and suffer a bunch of awful political struggles and protracted violence and shellings; while the west NATO empire openly armed and trained more and more of the overtly anti-Russian military and fascist groups to be a battering ram for the largest most violent empire that has ever existed, the USA.

He stood as an incorrigible collaborationist moderate pushing for agreements and compromises with the west, who anyone with a brain could tell was never intending on following through with any of it BECAUSE THEY WERE THE DRIVING FORCE OF IT ALL GOING THIS WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE; while allowing not only the arming and training of the openly anti-Russian military and militias operating in Ukraine to kill Russians; but also allowing the corrupted growth of an entire generation, now today old-enough to fire a gun, have the most formative years of their upbringing guided through Azov and C-14's state-funded Nazi "education centers," Nazi "community organizations," and Nazi-youth military summer-camps; that if Putin was half the comicbook villain western liberals think he is, or if he had just remembered his Soviet education


his dialectical- and historical materialist education which he undoubtedly got; he would not have held such delusions and the world wouldn't be teetering over nuclear oblivion like this with so many pointless tens-to-hundreds-of-thousands dead and half a million wounded, и за что? зачем?

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago

Yep nato only understands one language

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@not_fond_of_reddit@lemm.ee stop stuffing my ~~mod~~box full

Of reports on comments you disagree with and actually reply to the people you think are posting misinformation.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

@not_fond_of_reddit@lemm.ee lol, what a dork. Not fond of reddit-logo my ass. lemmitor

[–] Philosophosphorous@hexbear.net 43 points 2 days ago (5 children)

if there are any aliens observing us, now would be a great time to do an anti-imperialist intervention followed by some intergalactic communist nation building. we are all held hostage by western imperialists playing nuclear chicken with the rest of the world. a planet-wide hostage bomb vest where multiple factions have the button, in this scenario the faction with the least reluctance to use it will get their way. america and its vassals have been recklessly testing these nuclear boundaries, someone or something must put a stop to it.

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[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 54 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Is this really worth it for either party? deeper-sadness

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 34 points 3 days ago

This is how bernie could still win

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 days ago

I guess we're about to find out.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

It's great for Lockheed Martin

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 48 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Gen Xers reading this thread:

first-time

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

except this time it's not the cool Russia :(

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago

It wasn't exactly the cool Russia back then, either gorby-sad 🍕🛖

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[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 47 points 3 days ago
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

This is a threat against the UK. There was an emergency cobra meeting yesterday that was performed during the labour conference which definitely wouldn't have been planned and it will have been because of this.

They pretended it was about Israel but we all know Labour's position on that so it won't have been it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 30 points 3 days ago

yeah I think so as well, the UK have been pushing the most for deep strikes into Russia

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago

Yeah if the UK want to allow Ukraine to use Storm Shadow missiles for long range strikes into Russia, it would require UK military service members to input the targeting information, and UK military satellites to guide the missile. Such an escalation is unacceptable to Russia.

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 41 points 3 days ago (12 children)

See?

This is why I practiced end of world survival

While everyone else is running around screaming, I'll be filtering my water with tree bark, clay and coffee filters

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[–] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

Could we please all stop. I am not enjoying Cold War 2: Nuclear Boogaloo one bit.

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What exactly would the missiles accomplish? Let the Ukrainians let throw more soldiers into a pointless meat grinder for a while longer? I want to strangle every single Western politician

[–] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago

Ukraine's only way of winning is direct US/NATO intervention. So their only hope is to keep escalating and hope something happens. If Russia has an unmeasured response and begins attacking the NATO planes guiding Ukraine's attacks or commits civilian reprisals then that might be enough to get the US directly involved (maybe).

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 30 points 2 days ago (7 children)

It's just a completely pointless escalation that's bringing us closer to WW3.

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[–] JohnBrownsDream@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago

Wistfully imagining a parallel universe where a general labor strike in the US was a near-term possibility to slow down this country’s death drive

[–] Finger@hexbear.net 41 points 3 days ago

no more half measures walter

[–] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 51 points 3 days ago (7 children)

It looks like a response to the talk of doing deep strikes into Russia. According to the updated nuclear doctrine, Russia might decide to respond with a nuclear strike. Putin also mentioned an attack on Belarus explicitly, so maybe they're expecting something there too?

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 72 points 3 days ago (3 children)

For those who don't understand why doing deep strikes inside Russia with NATO supplied missiles is a declaration of War on Russia by NATO. These long range missiles needs satellites to get coordinates and guidance, Ukraine obviously does not have them, which means NATO is directly involved in launching these missiles. If these Western leaders are that crazy to directly confront Russia, we might have WWIII.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 69 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is probably the closest we've been to a nuclear holocaust since the Cuban missile crisis.

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago

I will have very little sympathy for whoever fires a nuclear weapon, tactical or not. Then again, I'll probably be vaporized while I'm reading about it in the news mega.

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[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago
[–] 12022081631@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago

feels like reruns thonk

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Prediction: Nothing will happen, Putin will let the red line to be crossed.

The whole US strategy has been betting on Russia and China not dare to do anything while the US continues to bully the rest of the world, because nobody in Russia and China wants to start a nuclear war.

Russia had been very careful with Ukraine’s “special military operation” so as not to trigger a wider war, but even Putin knows that a nuclear attack means total war.

This is why all the talks about “US military is overstretched and won’t be able to handle multi-front wars” is nonsense, because it will never come to that. The US has placed its bets that Russia and China have decided it will be too risky to poke the US that way, and if they do get involved, they realize that what follows can only be a nuclear exchange where everyone loses.

So, the US will continue to get what it wants from the world because nobody really wants total war. It is a bold gambit but it might just be the one that works.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think the most likely response from Putin would be to arm the Houthis/Ansarallah with advanced anti ship missiles, along with selling Iran advanced weaponry. Russia has lots of these missiles in storage, Ukraine has no navy that can be targeted with them. If NATO wants to open Pandora's box and give advanced weaponry for long range strikes to a proxy in Ukraine, Russia can absolutely do the same thing in the Middle East.

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That's the thing though, as long as common sense still exists and neither party is willing to use nukes aside from threats, they still have to fight the US with all the other means. That means that the US will have to cope with multiple fronts at once as the war spreads out in the world, and there must be a tipping point where they just can't handle them all anymore.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 days ago

So far the only actual red line that was laid out by Russia was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that line was crossed we got the war. Pretty much all the other red lines have come from the west, like when the US said they wouldn't send missiles, tanks, F16s, and so on because it would be a dangerous escalation. Then the west would cross their own red lines, and say that see nothing bad happened.

Russia's statement on long range strikes into Russia is the second red line that was actually stated by Russia, and I don't think it's a bluff either.

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[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder how the libs will react once a nuke does get launched?

Overflowing diarrhea diapers or i-am-adolf-hitler ?

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