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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

He really could have killed somebody on the street.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 159 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ye gods, America, you had four years and an open-and-shut case and it wasn't enough to get rid of the orange ghoul.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 83 points 4 days ago (4 children)

And just watch the neck breaking speed the Republicans rush through their political persecution cases. I expect to see Democrats in prison by the end of the first or second year.

:(

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I envy your optimism in choosing years instead of months.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago

All this stuff is going to take years. It will be death by a thousand cuts. The people who are planning this aren't going to risk moving too fast where constituents of blue states beg for secession.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

I envy their optimism at claiming they'll end up in prison over a grave.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't expect the party to still exist 365 days from now.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 3 days ago

Don't get my hopes up like that! I can't take another upset right now lol

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Schiff won his new senate seat. It'll be interesting to see if they go after a sitting senator

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 4 days ago

I don't see why they wouldn't. They'll say "we" went after a sitting president with impeachment so they'll go after anyone and everyone with the fascist cheerleaders on Fox pushing for the death penalty (which they're already doing).

[–] Homescool@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

For what? What crimes can actually be proven in court?

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Have you been living under a rock?

[–] Aermis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I wonder how hard you need to prove anything if the judges issue sentencing without needing much of anything.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Implying anything needs to be proven in court when the judge is a Trump appointee.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hitler went to jail. What good did it serve the Germans?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yea, guess we shouldn’t even try. What’s your point?

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 3 points 2 days ago

My point is that fascism builds until the root causes and those fanning its flames are rooted out and destroyed ala Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler; or they burn on and continue to oppress under an authoritarian like Franco, Pinochet or Putin. There aren’t a whole lot of examples in between where an authoritarian relinquishes power after a short term.

I know which one I prefer, and, from example, we can see a little jail time is insufficient.

Shitlibs love making excuses for accepting a tiered "justice" system, they have no points, they just love the taste of boot.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

Ya, he was 78 years old when he went to jail Einstein.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 86 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is really the worst part of this whole thing. If a 'normal' politician with his exact platform had won the election, it wouldn't feel nearly as bad. It'd still be awful, but not nearly as bad. The fact that he's getting away with all of this shit, that's the real kick in the teeth. It's a complete hemorrhage of justice and it really just hammers home how utterly fucked the system is. There is no justice, unless the perpetrator is poor and/or brown, and that should piss everyone off, regardless of political affiliation.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It does, we should organize before January somehow.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've spent the better part of the last year trying to convince people to hold their nose and vote blue to stop exactly this from happening, and that clearly was for nothing... I've got a lot of anger that I'd love to redirect at this new source of outrage. If you've got any insights on developing movements to rally around, I'd love to hear about it.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

I'm sorry, I dont know. Maybe we could try to form a coalition, but as always, I doubt the Democrats would want to band with socialists and communists. Maybe we could identify the mechanisms other fascists used to accelerate and assert their control over the population and use that information to impede him. I really dont know. Registering for the Socialists just sounds like it'll be my name on their list when they are arrested and dispersed.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Organize for what, exactly? A big reason he shouldn't be in office is because he incited an insurrection on January 6 to overturn an election. Any kind of organization to prevent him taking office would also be an attempt to overturn an election.

If you have a different goal in mind, I'm all ears. But I've been crying that democracy and elections are sacred and I'll be damned if I'm going to change my mind because it's gone the other way.

[–] Ruorc@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Seems to me that an election involving a candidate that is inelligble should result in disqualification. The election should have never proceeded with him as a candidate. Can't be overturning an election if the election was invalid to start with.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

How many people to knock down a fox News building by force?

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I know that sounded bad, but its not to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. Its to block all harm going to be done to trans communities and immigrants, and maybe save some climate initiatives too. Its to build a network of citizens to help counteract all the extremely horrible shit in Project 2025. We're going to have to get guerilla with this regime's projected iron grip.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If legal justice was going to happen to Trump, it would have by now. This shit is pure theater.

Our options are vigilante justice or no justice.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

So long as he doesn't miss, I don't really care what costume he's wearing.

[–] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 42 points 4 days ago (3 children)

My fellow Americans, if you sat out the election because Harris didn’t excite you enough or she wasn’t perfect, what’s coming from Trump is on you.

And if you voted for Jill Stein because you don’t understand how foreign aid is established (it’s via Congress) or you believed the hype of “genocide” or that Republicans weren’t worth your protests, what’s coming to Gaza is on you.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

I voted from Germany and my vote never got verified 🤬

To some extent I dislike them less than non voters. Yeah theyre dumb and voted for a Russian plant who openly admitted she wanted to stop Harris but... At least they showed up. They did something.

Non voters are lazy fucks who deserve everything coming. They didn't do the bare minimum. I don't care your reasons. You let fascism in and didn't even bother to do your civic duty, even if it was doing a write in.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Serious question: what country is safe for Smith to flee to?

If Smith does not flee, I am 100% confident Trump's DOJ or HSI will make a vicious example of him.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Now seems like exactly not the time to pause, but ok, Jack.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It’s almost like he’s been a pathetic nazi this entire time…

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Oh hey it's a republican terrorist, fuck you, blocked

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's going to wind down and pussy out. Jim Jordan already threatened him and said "keep your receipts."

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I think it's more likely that he looked at how much work his team has done and how much they have left to do. My guess is 2 months isn't enought time with current resources.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Presidented circumstances

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pausing for a faster, aggressive game plan I hope.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nope. Pausing because the JD doesn’t investigate sitting presidents, and having the team work on this for another 2 months would be a waste of their time.

[–] oyo@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

Best case scenario is that he's using the time to summarize everything in a public report.

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 days ago

I said from day one, the dog and pony show will come to an end the day after the election, regardless who won, because that's all it's been, is a dog and pony show. The oligarchy will never convict one of their own.